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Date:      Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:07:18 -0600 (CST)
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        Stanley Hopcroft <Stanley.Hopcroft@IPAustralia.Gov.AU>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 4.1-RELEASE. panic. I'm not going anywhere without my init.
Message-ID:  <14860.25478.379016.781155@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <129162557@toto.iv>

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Stanley Hopcroft <Stanley.Hopcroft@IPAustralia.Gov.AU> types:
> Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
> . lpr ceased to work from the command line of an xterm (trace shows the
> lpr client sending the P command but sending no data; interestingly
> enough Netscape could still use lpr to print HTML with ghostcript). It
> may well have also failed from the console.

This one is *very* strange.  My guess would be something in the
environment was fried, but since it's fixed, there's not much you can
do about it.

> . reboot (several) shows normal device probes, file system checks but
> then panics with 
> 
> init signal 6 exit 0
> panic: I'm not goiing anywhere without my init
> rebooting in 10 seconds ....
> 
> After booting the system with the live File System CD (thank you
> CDROM.COM, thank you), and mounting the root file system of the defunct
> 4.1-R system, I had a look at init.
> 
> It was there and it looked fine.

What do you mean by "looked fine"? Did you do a cmp on it and an
offline copy that should have been ok? Did you save the init that
wasn't working (always a good idea to do that kind of thing)?

> . was there any relationship between the problem with lpr  and the boot
> failure (perhaps I ought to drag out the McKusick et al)

Unknown, possibly unknowable.

> . why on earth would init call abort() (the origin of the SIGABRT) ?

It was probably damaged in some way.

> . if init became "damaged", how could that happen - there's no sign of
> problems reported by fsck /

fsck doesn't check *data*, it checks *structure*. If something scrawls
all over data blocks on your disk, fsck won't notice.

> . is anything else likely to be "damaged". Should I reinstall - this is
> a desktop, so the cost is not great ?

I wouldn't. Some failures you *never* find an explanation for. These
are sometimes called "cosmic ray failures", the implication being that
a stray cosmic ray zapped a bit at the wrong time. Not necessarily
what really happened, but the best you can do.

> Has anywone in the history of computing known of MS systems being
> repaired ?

Yes, if you are sufficiently conversant with MS software, you can
repair them instead of fix them. The level of training required for
that is *much* higher than for FreeBSD, though.

	<mike


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