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Date:      Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:23:54 -0400 (EDT)
From:      "R. D. Davis" <rdd@smart.net>
To:        Josh Paetzel <jpaetzel@hutchtel.net>
Cc:        Anthony Rubin <arubin@concentric.net>, "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>, "Lawrence Cotnam Jr." <larry@pkunk.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Legacy Device Support (Was RE: No help...)
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.10.10007221930140.22549-100000@smarty.smart.net>
In-Reply-To: <002101bff424$6d0c0ed0$47430ace@hacker>

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> I agree with this wholeheartedly....and I still have to ask the question:
> If you have a version of FBSD that supports your hardware, why are you
> upgrading to a version that doesn't?

Firstly, I'm using relatively new hardware, less than two years old;
the motherboard, which I paid a lot more for than the typical generic
clone board, is manufactured by Mainboard, which was one of the few
boards at the time whose manufacturer guaranteed it to work with
FreeBSD.  The SCSI controller, an Adaptec 1542B, and one of the tape
drives, an Exabyte 8200, are relatively standard - not new, but not
junk either.  The NE2000 compatible eth So, while this isn't brand new
equipment, it's not ancient, still performs more than adequately for
my needs.

I can see support being dropped for things like video and sound cards,
and even ethernet boards, however, dropping support for _tapes_ that
were written using older version of the OS seems more than peculiar.
Making stored data itself obsolete is not a good thing for the
reputation of any operating system, and dropping support for relatively
standard tape drives, even if they're not the latest and greatest, 
doesn't make much sense to me.

Ok, I know the saying, "you get what you pay for," so, perhaps anyone
who's really serious about the integrity of their data, who also wants
to be able to run the latest versions of some pieces of software, and
new software, really should consider a commercial OS.  If enough
people bought a commercial version of BSD, the price could come down,
and then users, as customers, could ask for features that they need.
As I've stated before, I greatly appreciate the work that's gone into
FreeBSD, and am only remarking about one aspect of it - not just
because I'm affected, but because others have, and will have, similar
problems, that could be avoided if those working on certain aspects of
FreeBSD would not be so quick to drop support for hardware, and
_written tapes_, that are not exactly ancient.

I upgraded because there were no obvious signs or warnings, about
problems with compatibility, or about upgrading from 2.2.5 (sorry, I
was thinking it was 2.2.4). Interestingly, there's nothing about this
lack of compatibility, or a problem with upgrading, which appears on
the WWW page where the CDs are sold, and it's also not obvious by
looking at the FreeBSD web site.  At least something could be
mentioned on those web sites as a courtesy to users with older
versions who are considering upgrading so as to be able to install new
software packages that weren't available for the older versions. 

Anyway, now I've split my new hard drive so that I can have both 2.2.5
and 4.0 installed on it, and recovered my personal data from a backup.
While 4.0 seems rather nice, it still won't work with my Exabyte 8200
8mm drive.  I'll test it again with the SureStore 4mm DAT drive - I
think the problem with that was a bad tape, as I can't retore from it
using 2.2.5 either.  Also, the problem with my NE2000 compatible
ethernet board not working with 4.0 still exists.

If no one is supporting these tape drives, which were formerly
supported, and support for other devices is discontinued, could
someone please make this obvious on the WWW pages so that people don't
waste their money on CDs that are useless to them?  While FreeBSD is
free, the CD-ROMs are not free, and consumers should be able to avoid
being ripped off (sorry if this offends anyone, but that's exactly
what happens when one buys a product in good faith and discovers that
it's not useable) by being told that they can't (a) upgrade directly
to it, (b) that some of their computer hardware won't work with it and
(c) that a backup and restore will be required.


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R. D. Davis                  
rdd@perqlogic.com            
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd 
410-744-4900                 



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