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Date:      Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:26:05 +0100
From:      Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
To:        Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>, mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa)
Cc:        jdp@polstra.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Route table leaks
Message-ID:  <v04220817b4746acf61d3@[195.238.21.204]>
In-Reply-To: <199912081926.NAA80612@aurora.sol.net>
References:  <199912081926.NAA80612@aurora.sol.net>

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At 1:26 PM -0600 1999/12/8, Joe Greco wrote:

>>  vmstat -m | grep routetbl|grep K
>       routetbl289178 40961K  40961K 40960K   435741    0     0 
>16,32,64,128,256
>>  netstat -rn | wc -l
>        16

	I had never looked at this on my machines (main news peering 
server in the Top 100, one Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100+ 100-Base-TX 
interface with a default route, running 3.2-RELEASE):

$ vmstat -m | grep routetbl | grep K
      routetbl   246    34K     36K 40960K      920    0     0  16,32,64,128,256
$ netstat -nr | wc -l
       13
$ uptime
  9:07PM  up 7 days,  8:06, 1 user, load averages: 2.87, 3.14, 3.15
$ ps axl | grep ':' | wc -l
      379

>  289178 blocks (and 40960K - that's 40MB) in use to support 16 routes (that
>  is 2.5MB of memory used per listed route) is a bit on the excessive side.

	This machine hasn't been up very long, is running an application 
profile that I assume is somewhat similar to yours (although I'm sure 
yours is much more heavily tuned, as well as loaded), but 2,835.692 
bytes per route (26K/13) still seems a bit excessive.

	I've got another machine (an internal mailing list server, very 
very lightly loaded, one Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100+ 100-Base-TX 
interface with a default route, running 3.0-RELEASE) that looks much 
more reasonable:

$ vmstat -m | grep routetbl | grep K
      routetbl    32     4K      8K 10400K    13212    0     0  16,32,64,128,256
$ netstat -nr | wc -l
       11
$ uptime
  9:25PM  up 135 days, 11:04, 1 user, load averages: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00
$ ps axl | grep ':' | wc -l
       30

	However, even 744.727 bytes per route (8K/11) seems a little 
higher than what I would expect, although this is *much* better than 
almost 3KB/route, and especially better than 2,621,504.000 
bytes/route (40MB/16).  The 312.402 bytes/route (20.731MB/69585) that 
Mike reported seems much more realistic.

>  I'd think that inbound connections are less likely to be an issue than
>  outbound ones, as inbound connections get really heavily exercised on
>  things like web servers.  But that is off-the-top-of-my-head speculation,
>  and I've nothing to support that theory.

	Unfortunately, I don't have any FreeBSD web servers here that I 
can test that theory with.  I'm trying to get more FreeBSD production 
servers installed here, but progress has been rather slow -- I can 
only roll them in as old servers need to be replaced, and as FreeBSD 
supports the hardware & software I need to use in order to support 
the application.

-- 
   These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
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