Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:51:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> To: jkh@osd.bsdi.com, shannon@widomaker.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Message-ID: <200107100352.UAA13685@usr01.primenet.com>
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] I never said a "CDROM must boot to sysinstall" and I challenge you to ] find a quote to that effect. What both Nik and I said was that it ] must be an OPTION to do so, somehow, or you haven't provided a stock ] FreeBSD experience and people are potentially going to be confused as ] to what "FreeBSD" means. This holds especially true if you haven't ] provided source code to your wizzy installer and they have no way of ] figuring out how or why it's even misbehaving, which you can bet it ] will since nobody ever writes perfect software. You know that the CDROM boot process is based on a 2.88M floppy image. If it "must be an OPTION to do so", then you are saying the same thing: that it must boot to sysinstall. I think you are still confusing me with Brett Glass: he's the one who wanted to do this a while back. ] I certainly don't see you answering questions on the freebsd-questions ] mailing list or you'd know that anything which creates confusion as to ] what a user is doing during the installation or general usage of ] FreeBSD only makes tech support that much more of a challenge. I'm ] not "defending sysinstall because it's my baby", I'm defending the ] right to have "FreeBSD" mean something as definitive as possible in ] the cradle-to-grave experience. If you want to write a much better ] installer and donate it so that we can make it the new default, so ] much the better and POLA will still be obeyed from a tech support ] perspective. I put my time in on -questions years ago. I tend to answer more in depth questions on -hackers and -current, like where to look to see how to do file I/O in the kernel. I'm well aware of the human factors issues with installers and software in general. ] And please, don't insult our intelligence by saying that tech support ] won't be an issue because you're going to putt a 1-800 number on your ] wizzy installer or something. People either won't call it or won't ] notice it, but they will go to www.freebsd.org and they'll eventually ] find their way onto IRC or the various mailing lists and ask why the ] pulsating red button never does the right thing when they push it. ] You, of course, will be nowhere to be found there and everyone else ] will be looking around and shaking their heads at this crazy person ] who's just wandered into the forum talking about a button that, from ] their perspective, doesn't exist. I'm not interested in doing a distribution; the releases I build stay in-house. I think you are thinking of Brett Glass. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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