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Date:      Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:15:31 +0200 (CEST)
From:      Malte Lance <malte@webmore.com>
To:        Sascha Schumann <sas@www.schell.de>
Cc:        maltel@usa.net, David Greenman <dg@root.com>, Peter Mutsaers <plm@xs4all.nl>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD or LINUX??? - Which one should I choose? 
Message-ID:  <13756.34940.935914.415256@neuron.webmore.de>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980727131031.18238B-100000@www.schell.de>
References:  <13756.13567.235077.789440@neuron.webmore.de> <Pine.LNX.3.96.980727131031.18238B-100000@www.schell.de>

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Sascha Schumann writes:
 > 
 > 
 > On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Malte Lance wrote:
 > 
 > > Sascha, i really enjoyed your postings to this list. Unfortunately you 
 > > are trying to start a splatter-fest:
 > > 
 > > Sascha Schumann writes:
 > >  > > >I'm running FreeBSD-stable (2.2.7) now for four days and it crashed three
 > >  > > >times on me. The first time, I copied a 2MB file to a clean ext2fs
 > >  > > >partition - the system hang (I could still switch between terminals),
 > >  > > >but the partition was mixed up - lots of errors while running e2fsck. The
 > >  > > >second time happened while hammering the FreeBSD machine with lots of web
 > >  > > >request. The system froze (=totally dead) after ~2M requests. The third
 > >  > > >time was again disk related, "Freeing free block" and system reboot within
 > >  > > >15 seconds while installing a new kernel image.
 > >  >
 > >  > The disk I copied to (a old 500MB Conner, UFS) has/had bad blocks. I
 > >  > played with bad144/badsect/fsck shortly before that and dd'ed some test
 > >  > files around the partitions. That was probably the cause. 
 > > 
 > > ... and maybe dd'ed the whole partition away. Then why are you whining
 > > in your first post about a panic.
 > 
 > So, if I run my mission critical server on this system, it's expected to
 > die when it encounters some read/write errors? 

No, when you dd your partition off of the disk, then ...

 > 
 > fyi, I did sth like dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile which shouldn't trash
 > anything. I just needed the range of bad sectors.

Ok, i was just under the impression, that you made some stresstest
regarding disklabel and filesystem-info ... maybe wiping off the
whole partition. dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile shouldn't cause a panic.
Sorry for my rough reply.

Malte.

 > 
 > > Take a nail, hammer it through your harddisk and wonder that FreeBSD
 > > panics. And yes, i know, Linux wouldn't crash on this.
 > 
 > I don't wonder. I don't complain. I formatted the disk and reinstalled
 > FreeBSD completely. I just reported that. Sorry, if that destroys your
 > dreams. The argument was sth like "FreeBSD is more stable than Linux". To
 > prove such a theory false, you only need to find one false occurence. I
 > don't tend to say "A suckz, B rockz". You won't hear it from me. But what
 > else could I have expected on a FreeBSD list...
 > 
 > > Next time tell the whole story in your FIRST complain instead of
 > > drawing a bad picture of FreeBSD by just telling parts of the story.
 > > 
 > > Some of your own words:
 > > 
 > >  > > >I don't want to blame FreeBSD here for anything. I'm *very* new to it. I'm
 > >  > > >Linux biased. I'm open to new things - but not to Linux bashing.
 > > 
 > > Then why are you FreeBSD-bashing ?
 > 
 > I'm just sharing my experiences. If I did sth wrong, tell me. If I test a
 > system on its reliability and it fails on the on or the other side,
 > mustn't I say this? 
 > 
 > Bye,
 >                Sascha
 >            
 > 
 > > 
 > > Malte.
 > > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > Bye,
 > >  >          Sascha
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
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