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Date:      Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:54:08 +0100
From:      Ceri <setantae@submonkey.net>
To:        "Philip J. Koenig" <pjklist@ekahuna.com>
Cc:        Questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: hub.freebsd.org spam policy
Message-ID:  <20020405105408.GA17235@submonkey.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>
References:  <20020405101026.GC15938@submonkey.net> <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>

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On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 02:27:02AM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote:
> On 5 Apr 2002, at 11:10, Ceri boldly uttered: 
> 
> > To clarify the situation :
> > 
> >     To subscribe to a list requires confirmation.
> > 
> >     To post to a list does not, nor do you need to be subscribed.
> > 
> > I don't remember a time when this was any different (but then I've only
> > been subscribed for 18 months or so).
> > 
> 
> Ah.. I overlooked an "assymetrical" scenario.
> 
> I have to say, I don't think I can ever recall a single email list 
> outside of these that had such a setup - where it required a 
> subscription to read but allowed anyone to post.  It's really quite 
> bizarre to me - how are these people supposed to read the responses 
> to their questions if they don't subscribe??

See below.

> I notice a lot of people are cc'ing the original poster in their 
> responses, but that is not just a hassle when replying, it's also a 
> courtesy that I'd hate to have to rely on if I had a problem I was 
> trying to solve.

It's standard practice on this list, and isn't hard to do at all : you
just press G instead of R in mutt, or use Reply All if you're using
some gui mailer.
In addition, people who aren't subscribed often say "I'm not subscribed,
so please CC me".

> I stand by my contention that allowing anyone to post is just an 
> invitation to spamming the list. (or an invitation to draconian anti-
> spam filters to mitigate the spam, with the result that innocent 
> users get their traffic bounced)

Allowing anyone to post is a good thing, both for people who are trying
to get help when (say) their incoming mail is broken (yes, this sounds
stupid, but you can read a good archive like marc.theaimsgroup.com to get
your replies).
Also, I have posted to this list in the past from at least 4 different
addresses, and I don't see why I should have to subscribe with each one.

You also should bear in mind that developers have @FreeBSD.org addresses,
so the policies currently in place work for them too, whereas using a
subscription option as you suggest wouldn't.

And I know other lists that have the same policies (nom-steer, for one).

Ceri

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