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Date:      Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:43:41 -0700
From:      Vizion <vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com>
To:        freebsd-java@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports
Message-ID:  <200510161343.42178.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com>

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Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports
 From: Vizion <vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com>
 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
 CC: Panagiotis Astithas <past@ebs.gr>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>,=20
tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org,=20
mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura <nork@FreeBSD.org>,=20
rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, Mark Linimon=20
<linimon@lonesome.com>, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org
=20
On Sunday 16 October 2005 03:20, =A0the author Panagiotis Astithas contribu=
ted=20
to the dialogue on-
=A0Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports:=20

>Wes Peters wrote:
>> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote:
>>> Mark Linimon wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote:
>>>>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all
>>>>> the =A0other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should =A0proba=
bly
>>>>> be =A0classified along with eclipse.
>>>>
>>>> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:]
>>>> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java
>>>> about how the java category was never really a good idea. =A0None of
>>>> the other languages have their own primary category. =A0In particular
>>>> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only
>>>> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java.
>>>>
>>>>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT
>>>>> and phpeclipse are editors. =A0GEF isn't a graphics library, it's =A0a
>>>>> graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a
>>>>> development tool.
>>>
>>> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this
>>> is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably =A0belong
>>> to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one?
>>
>> I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates =A0to=
o,
>> all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather =A0than
>> getting spread all over the ports system.
>
>Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that my
>comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your point.
>However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule that every
>eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps the emacs
>precedent should be followed. See below.
>
>Norikatsu Shigemura wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:14:59 +0900 (JST)
> >
> > Norikatsu Shigemura <nork@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >>Hi eclipse and eclipse related ports maintainers and users!
> >>=A0=A0=A0=A0Some time ago, someone suggested that eclipse and eclipse
> >>=A0=A0=A0=A0related ports should be located on proper categories. =A0I
> >>=A0=A0=A0=A0think so. =A0So I suggest following repocopy list. =A0Anyon=
e,
> >>=A0=A0=A0=A0do you have any idea?
> >
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0Oops, I missed. =A0Eclipse is very similar to Emacs:
> > =A0=A0=A0=A01. IDE
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Emacs is a one of IDE(or platform). =A0And anyone does=
n't
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 think that it is ONLY a elisp interpreter. =A0But it is
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 a editor. =A0So I think that it is no problem that Ecl=
ipse
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 may be categolize to editors.
> >
> > =A0=A0=A0=A02. Extension-able
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Emacs has many extention modules like news reader, lan=
guage
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 support, games, ...
> >
> > =A0=A0=A0=A03. Mode
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Emacs has many mode for descriptions like C, Perl, Jav=
a, ...
> >
> > =A0=A0=A0=A04. others
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 It must be that there are other similar feature:-).
> >
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/ecli=
pse
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-EPIC =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/eclipse-EP=
IC
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-cdt =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-=
cdt
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-checkstyle =A0 =A0 -> devel/eclipse-checkstyle
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-clay-core =A0 =A0 =A0-> databases/eclipse-clay=
=2Dcore
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-devel =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-de=
vel
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-emf =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-=
emf
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-examples =A0 =A0 =A0 -> devel/eclipse-examples
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-gef =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-=
gef
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-gef-examples =A0 -> editors/eclipse-gef-exampl=
es
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-langpack =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/eclipse-langpa=
ck
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-log4e =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-lo=
g4e
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-lomboz =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -> devel/eclipse-lomboz
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-pmd =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> devel/eclipse-pmd
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-quantum =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> databases/eclipse-qu=
antum
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-sqlexplorer =A0 =A0-> databases/eclipse-sqlexp=
lorer
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat =A0-> www/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-uml =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-=
uml
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-v4all =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-v4=
all
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-vep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-=
vep
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-vep-examples =A0 -> editors/eclipse-vep-exampl=
es
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-viplugin =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/eclipse-viplug=
in
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipseme =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> devel/eclipseme
> > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/phpeclipse =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/phpeclip=
se
>
>This sounds fine, too.
Sounds crazy to me...
Scattering eclipse tools over the whole ports collections is, to my mind, a=
=20
retrograde, rather than a positive step. There are another 290 pus eclipse=
=20
tools to bring on board!!
I would continue to advocate for a single collection
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s.
 Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal afte=
r=20
completing engineroom refit.



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