Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 21:38:44 -0600 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic jobs triggering panics in 10.1 and 10.2 Message-ID: <5668F3C4.5060606@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <CAOjFWZ6=KE5FPck87w2_xLBoOE9UG9KqNmfOw6_h-KYTmCyMwA@mail.gmail.com> References: <34FA7D40-8758-460D-AC14-20B21D2E3F8D@ebureau.com> <1449619470.31831.9.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <56682278.4040302@sorbs.net> <56683FC1.3050001@rlwinm.de> <5668AAB1.1080003@sorbs.net> <1449703798.4355.27.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <5668F053.8010106@denninger.net> <CAOjFWZ6=KE5FPck87w2_xLBoOE9UG9KqNmfOw6_h-KYTmCyMwA@mail.gmail.com>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060808020700020306070609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/9/2015 21:37, Freddie Cash wrote: > > > On Dec 9, 2015 7:24 PM, "Karl Denninger" <karl@denninger.net > <mailto:karl@denninger.net>> wrote: > > > > On 12/9/2015 17:29, Michael B. Eichorn wrote: > > > I sorry, but I really don't get your point, PCBSD has shown a great= > > > reason why zfs on root and on laptops/desktops is a good idea... bo= ot > > > environments. They have pretty much figured out how to use snapshot= s > > > to go from A-B ping-pong installations to A-B-C-D-E.... installatio= ns. > > > I am even aware of people using it to run Release and Current on th= e > > > same machine. Unfortunately at the moment the system requires GRUB,= > > > but there is ongoing work to add the ability to the FreeBSD > > > bootloader. Further IIRC zfs send-receive has a history involving a= > > > developer who wanted a better rsync for transfering his work to a > > > laptop. In addition we have pretty much Moore's Lawed our way to th= e > > > point where a new laptop today can out spec a typical server from w= hen > > > ZFS was first implemented. Hiding features because you 'can' shoot > > > your foot off is hardly a typical UNIXy way of thinking anyway. > > > > Boot environments work fine on FreeBSD. Look at "beadm" :-) > > > > What are you trying to do that you need GRUB? > > GRUB supports listing and selecting boot environments as part of the > boot process. > > FreeBSD 8.x and 9.x boot loaders don't support listing or selecting > BEs. Neither does 10.0; not sure about 10.1. > > Devin Teske and company did a lot of work on this area, and I believe > 10.2, certainly -CURRENT, supports this. > > Because of BEs, PC-BSD flip-flopped between the FreeBSD loader and > GRUB in the 9.x and 10.x releases. I think they support both now. > > Typos courtesy of my phone's autocorrect. > Beadm allows you to set the "next boot" and works as expected. You can't select from the boot loader but you can certainly ping-pong between a working and test environment easily (I do this all the time) --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net> /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms060808020700020306070609 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Bl8wggZbMIIEQ6ADAgECAgEpMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4G A1UECBMHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3Rl bXMgTExDMRwwGgYDVQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhND dWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMB4XDTE1MDQyMTAyMjE1OVoXDTIwMDQxOTAyMjE1OVowWjEL MAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBM TEMxHjAcBgNVBAMTFUthcmwgRGVubmluZ2VyIChPQ1NQKTCCAiIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAD ggIPADCCAgoCggIBALmEWPhAdphrWd4K5VTvE5pxL3blRQPyGF3ApjUjgtavqU1Y8pbI3Byg XDj2/Uz9Si8XVj/kNbKEjkRh5SsNvx3Fc0oQ1uVjyCq7zC/kctF7yLzQbvWnU4grAPZ3IuAp 3/fFxIVaXpxEdKmyZAVDhk9az+IgHH43rdJRIMzxJ5vqQMb+n2EjadVqiGPbtG9aZEImlq7f IYDTnKyToi23PAnkPwwT+q1IkI2DTvf2jzWrhLR5DTX0fUYC0nxlHWbjgpiapyJWtR7K2YQO aevQb/3vN9gSojT2h+cBem7QIj6U69rEYcEDvPyCMXEV9VcXdcmW42LSRsPvZcBHFkWAJqMZ Myiz4kumaP+s+cIDaXitR/szoqDKGSHM4CPAZV9Yh8asvxQL5uDxz5wvLPgS5yS8K/o7zDR5 vNkMCyfYQuR6PAJxVOk5Arqvj9lfP3JSVapwbr01CoWDBkpuJlKfpQIEeC/pcCBKknllbMYq yHBO2TipLyO5Ocd1nhN/nOsO+C+j31lQHfOMRZaPQykXVPWG5BbhWT7ttX4vy5hOW6yJgeT/ o3apynlp1cEavkQRS8uJHoQszF6KIrQMID/JfySWvVQ4ksnfzwB2lRomrdrwnQ4eG/HBS+0l eozwOJNDIBlAP+hLe8A5oWZgooIIK/SulUAsfI6Sgd8dTZTTYmlhAgMBAAGjgfQwgfEwNwYI KwYBBQUHAQEEKzApMCcGCCsGAQUFBzABhhtodHRwOi8vY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0Ojg4ODgw CQYDVR0TBAIwADARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMCBaAwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgXgMCwGCWCGSAGG+EIB DQQfFh1PcGVuU1NMIEdlbmVyYXRlZCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZTAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUxRyULenJaFwX RtT79aNmIB/u5VkwHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUJHGbnYV9/N3dvbDKkpQDofrTbTUwHQYDVR0RBBYw FIESa2FybEBkZW5uaW5nZXIubmV0MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAA4ICAQBPf3cYtmKowmGIYsm6 eBinJu7QVWvxi1vqnBz3KE+HapqoIZS8/PolB/hwiY0UAE1RsjBJ7yEjihVRwummSBvkoOyf G30uPn4yg4vbJkR9lTz8d21fPshWETa6DBh2jx2Qf13LZpr3Pj2fTtlu6xMYKzg7cSDgd2bO sJGH/rcvva9Spkx5Vfq0RyOrYph9boshRN3D4tbWgBAcX9POdXCVfJONDxhfBuPHsJ6vEmPb An+XL5Yl26XYFPiODQ+Qbk44Ot1kt9s7oS3dVUrh92Qv0G3J3DF+Vt6C15nED+f+bk4gScu+ JHT7RjEmfa18GT8DcT//D1zEke1Ymhb41JH+GyZchDRWtjxsS5OBFMzrju7d264zJUFtX7iJ 3xvpKN7VcZKNtB6dLShj3v/XDsQVQWXmR/1YKWZ93C3LpRs2Y5nYdn6gEOpL/WfQFThtfnat HNc7fNs5vjotaYpBl5H8+VCautKbGOs219uQbhGZLYTv6okuKcY8W+4EJEtK0xB08vqr9Jd0 FS9MGjQE++GWo+5eQxFt6nUENHbVYnsr6bYPQsZH0CRNycgTG9MwY/UIXOf4W034UpR82TBG 1LiMsYfb8ahQJhs3wdf1nzipIjRwoZKT1vGXh/cj3gwSr64GfenURBxaFZA5O1acOZUjPrRT n3ci4McYW/0WVVA3lDGCBRMwggUPAgEBMIGWMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECBMH RmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExD MRwwGgYDVQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNDdWRhIFN5 c3RlbXMgTExDIENBAgEpMA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAwUAoIICTTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZI hvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNTEyMTAwMzM4NDRaME8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDFCBEDl mXXPDkbS+zfTxgOe2smUZiR0/3kRbP2fT62UMZ/AbxiXLgMsu85NpaenZe5xFxVXZfFGWh3D kqCyk233CZ4UMGwGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFfMF0wCwYJYIZIAWUDBAEqMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBAjAK BggqhkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYI KoZIhvcNAwICASgwgacGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBmTCBljCBkDELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNV BAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExEjAQBgNVBAcTCU5pY2V2aWxsZTEZMBcGA1UEChMQQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1z IExMQzEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQTEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTQ3Vk YSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQQIBKTCBqQYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxgZmggZYwgZAxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRAwDgYDVQQIEwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1 ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExIjAgBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQEWE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ECASkwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggIAcr/zETCf tYlwXVwqCC3frsRoUNAKRDszsHWA7bVrB/MprynhXaNM36YGt/V9mzzrKC+l68dtGfOSnQRK SPJyeGsxsHDFykCdImr8JN+ZCgTb2yr2vNuGqK7Wf2+Od2N1GeugU6jSWYIxxKNL8A7Lwlx4 hpGk6KXGQ6zEkEIr6PELusckcxXAuPI1M18SypX/zOnGyc7Sc1JBODBPOkauxFVPQZ2JzOZ+ Sa89tYLbQMqA68BJWHzMZGWprGwGvjQJXz6eMcY5w3T67oNVCUQ/twGsU+Hb9fUR5q268QBl N3BgESu1sBUDBptn4XOGHrCmThThnkFBMBjjumTiKKtyUVNR4GuWVsozY9XVi/x71VVQ2khz fAnTYRsIYZ91XxsY3nzkdUU5kfL19n6ZuNhxnHJejqs2vwWzrNi/h3IVE7TyuaLinOvl9l+e NFgB182ExpKEoCBvQTg00AOYbV9t8MCa//yl5ZG26uvctkX/+N9Dphz2uU+ohmOL6OnuNjfJ r+OgMBuoutlt4iCX1r+86Bu6RYcmgechgPggBOcr+PGPqk33jmOL4LMwvE6r/NeJLUPiwPnl Z4XKo7PdNkuKMJsmrg91MwJvKoo0DCR2gMWOFgl77njit4yhr+bgyu8idL9ATVC8imd+MihG 0tpIMbmzPGyhGMPbXUt+23qaw30AAAAAAAA= --------------ms060808020700020306070609--
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