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Date:      Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:46:16 -0800
From:      "Crist J. Clark" <cjclark@reflexnet.net>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        bmah@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
Subject:   Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld
Message-ID:  <20010111134616.A91185@rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexco>
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.010111115243.jhb@FreeBSD.org>; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 11:52:43AM -0800
References:  <20010111110903.B90221@rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexco> <XFMail.010111115243.jhb@FreeBSD.org>

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On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 11:52:43AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote:

[snip]

> Erm, many things live in both /stand and other places:
> 
> > ll /stand/ | wc -l
>       35
> > ll /stand/rm /bin/rm
> -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   255736 Jan  9 08:17 /bin/rm
> -r-xr-xr-x  31 root  wheel  1729520 Jul 28 07:32 /stand/rm

I am not clear what you are saying here. Only sysinstall lives in
/stand,

[592:~] ls -li /stand
  total 45250
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 -sh
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 [
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 arp
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 boot_crunch
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 cpio
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 dhclient
      3 drwx------   3 root  wheel      512 Jun 19  2000 etc
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 find
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 fsck
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 gunzip
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 gzip
  29952 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel     1024 Jun 19  2000 help
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 hostname
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 ifconfig
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 minigzip
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 mount_mfs
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 mount_nfs
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 newfs
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 pccardc
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 pccardd
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 ppp
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 pwd
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 rm
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 route
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 sed
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 sh
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 slattach
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 sysinstall
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 test
  22465 -r-xr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  1645704 Mar 20  2000 zcat

But it lives by many names. (Ignoring the directories.)

> Putting it in world wouldn't touch /stand, it would just add it to either
> /usr/sbin or /sbin and keep that copy updated.

[snip]

> I vote for both, but not to touch /stand.  We don't keep rm.1 in sync with
> /stand/rm, we keep it in sync with /bin/rm, so this seems to be the most
> consistent..

Well, /stand/rm is not _really_ rm at all, but I get the point. I
guess the only question is whether to put it in /sbin or /usr/sbin. I
think /sbin makes sense (so it is bootable), but it is 1.6MB of
/-bloat... But from another thread about making 250MB the default /
size, I guess few care too much about that anymore.
-- 
Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu


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