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Date:      Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:56:29 -0500
From:      Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com>
To:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Rui Paulo <rpaulo@felyko.com>, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/build...
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:07:23AM -0800, Rui Paulo wrote:
> > On 21 Feb 2014, at 08:32, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > >> Why?  There is /usr/ports/mail/dma.
> > >>
> > > Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server
> in base but just
> > > be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very
> good for that
> > > purpose.
> >
> > I agree with this notion and to be honest the next step should be to
> remove sendmail from the base system.
> >
> I'm strongly support that idea.
>

Baptiste,

I appreciate that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this work,
and indeed you put in Herculean amounts of effort for the project for which
we should all be grateful.
In particular, the addition of dma is listed as having been discussed with
three other committers, and represents the potential for a very significant
change in the base system that we present to our users.  As such, I think
that it would be beneficial for all parties, if a summary of the reasoning
behind this decision could be presented to us.  A quick, single-sentence
reply does *not* serve this purpose; in fact it is actively working against
this purpose, by seeming to brush off the concerns of others without proper
consideration.

I understand that your time is precious.  So is the time of everyone on
this list, and a small investment in a well-written description of the
reasoning for this change should be able to prevent a long email thread
that would waste a lot of many peoples' time.  It would probably be best
for this description to go to -current, instead of the svn commit lists.

Thank you,

Ben



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