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Date:      Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:47 -0500
From:      "Gary Gatten" <Ggatten@waddell.com>
To:        "Gary Gatten" <Ggatten@waddell.com>, "Ray Still" <rstill74@gmail.com>, <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: bind configuration issues
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I googled "dns round robin failover" and there are many hits.  One interest=
ing one is:
http://forums.devshed.com/dns-36/ha-using-round-robin----working-368800.html

It suggests well written apps / resolvers will try to use all ip's returned=
 by the query starting with the preferred one, not JUST the preferred one. =
 Which means, just by enabling round robin with multiple A records, you MAY=
 get some level of HA/Failover by default.  Cool, BUT, I wouldn't bet my li=
fe on it.  I'd still have something that could tweak your DNS records based=
 on packet loss, latency, etc.  What if your circuit is "up", but is degrad=
ed by loss, latency (load induced or otherwise), etc.

As you mentioned, something is better than nothing - so start simple and go=
 from there!

HTH!

G


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f=
reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Gatten
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM
To: Ray Still; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: bind configuration issues

I'm not intimate with bind, or anything/one actually - but that's another s=
tory...

Anyway, the gist is you need to "ping" some public hosts from your dns serv=
er (or another system I guess, but easier if on the dns server).  One desti=
nation host would be reachable through one connection, and the other of cou=
rse would only be reachable through the alternate connection.  Maybe use th=
e primary DNS servers each upstream ISP provides to you?  Anyway, if both p=
ings are OK, then your DNS server does round-robin for the host(s) in quest=
ion.  If one ping fails, then you stop handing out that IP.  You can for th=
e route taken within ping itself, or use static host(/32) routes, etc.

Sounds simple huh?  It kinda is, and LONG ago I had a shell script to do ju=
st this, but it's gone - and maybe bind 9+ has some sort of this functional=
ity available to you embedded in the bind code?  Don't know.  Even if you h=
ave to write your own script to update your dns records based on your monit=
oring process it's not that hard even for a scripting novice such as myself!

G


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f=
reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ray Still
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:56 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: bind configuration issues

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Gary Gatten <Ggatten@waddell.com> wrote:
>
> You certainly don't "need" BGP for this, the DNS thing will work, but wil=
l be a bit kludgy and certainly not as ... "responsive" to failures - a la =
query caching, TTL's and what not.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org <owner-freebsd-questions@freebs=
d.org>
> To: Ray Still <rstill74@gmail.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Mon Oct 26 12:50:56 2009
> Subject: Re: bind configuration issues
>
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ray Still wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting
> > setup and
> > I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work.
>
> The two issues normally aren't related.
>
> If both connections are from the same provider, talk to them about
> multilink PPP; if they are from different providers, you need to look
> into multihoming and getting your own AS #.
>

two different providers.

>
> > Current setup:
> > freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name
> > server.
> > static ip address in router.
> > I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip
> > address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.)
> >
> > Desired setup
> > same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server.
> > different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address.
>
> In order to have redundancy, you need to have two real, separate
> machines, each of which is running BIND, each of which is on a
> separate routable IP.=A0 This is an orthogonal issue to setting up
> multiple Internet connections.

Yes, In an ideal world I would do this. The two machines would also be
in separate buildings/cities/provinces/countries/planets
(pick your level of paranoia)=A0 ;)
However, reducing single points of failure is an improvement, even if
I can't eliminate them.


>
> > How do I set up bind so that
> > 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections,
> > and
> > 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working.
> > I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws.
>
> You can't set up BIND to control multilink aggregation and failover;
> that's not what it does.
>
> Regards,
> -- freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> -Chuck
>

Thanks for the replies.
Chuck, thanks for the keywords to search. Some of what I'm finding
looks like a solution for companies a lot bigger than me, but I'll
keep looking.

Gary, can you give me any clues about how to do it with just DNS? Yes,
I do realize that this leaves single points of failure, but at least
they would be points that I could do something about if necessary.

Thanks again,
Ray
>
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