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Date:      Sun, 23 Mar 2014 08:47:35 -0700
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, ipfw@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: URGENT?
Message-ID:  <532F0217.6050507@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <201403231500.JAA00968@mail.lariat.net>
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On 3/23/14, 7:56 AM, Brett Glass wrote:
> At 11:33 PM 3/22/2014, Julian Elischer wrote:
>
>> in ipfw that's up to you..
>> but I usually put the check-state quite early in my rule sets.
>
> I don't, because I want packets to touch as few rules as possible 
> for the sake of
> efficiency. One "check state" can cause an awful lot of work to be 
> done!
check state is a hash ;ookup and generally doesn't cause a lot of work.
it's about the equivalent of 2 simple rules I would guess so if you
save two rules by using check state,  then you win.


>
> In my IPFW rule sets, I divide the work up by interface, and so 
> there's a
> "check-state" only for interfaces and directions (in vs. out) to 
> which automatically
> generated rules will apply.
I do the same.  first thing my rule set does is break the packet flow 
into N*4 separate sets of rules,
where N  is the number of interfaces. Each interface gets two sets of 
rules.. one for incoming
and one for outgoing. each of these it further divided into two 
smaller sets. One for
packets that are for or from THIS machine, and one that is for packets 
no for or from this machine)

incoming, for me
incoming NOT for me
outgoing from me
outgoing NOT from me

each of these sets can then have rules.
however since we know some of the information already it doesn't
need to be tested again so the rules there tend to be "from any to any"
because we already know who it's for (or from, depedning on the direction)

> The problem is that this is still inefficient, because there's only 
> one batch of
> automatically generated rules, containing some that will never apply 
> in certain
> situations. My rule sets would be more efficient if I could divide 
> the automatically
> created rules into multiple batches, and do "keep-state N" and 
> "check-state N" to check
> only the batch that needed to be tested in a particular spot. This 
> ought to be a relatively
> easy patch, and I've thought many times about coding and submitting 
> it. "N" would default
> to zero, so the old behavior would be preserved if there was no "N" 
> at the end so as not
> to violate POLA.
>
>> I am working on a new rc.firewall that is much more efficient.
>> the trouble is that the script to make it do what I want is a bit 
>> more complicated.
>> I'll put it out for discussion later. maybe tonight.
>
> Would like to see it!
see other emails for sample output.

>
> --Brett Glass
>
>




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