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Date:      Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:55:20 +0200
From:      Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm@mithrandr.moria.org>
To:        cjclark@alum.mit.edu
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, security@FreeBSD.ORG, Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>
Subject:   Re: sendmail default run state
Message-ID:  <20000923135519.A40815@mithrandr.moria.org>
In-Reply-To: <20000922220603.E367@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com>; from cjclark@reflexnet.net on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 10:06:03PM -0700
References:  <20000922215616.A33103@mithrandr.moria.org> <200009100358.e8A3wUG76071@netplex.com.au> <200009100415.e8A4F4G76156@netplex.com.au> <20000910154357.A78311@mithrandr.moria.org> <200009222012.OAA70984@harmony.village.org> <200009230001.SAA20358@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000923021119.A35919@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000922220603.E367@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com>

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On Fri 2000-09-22 (22:06), Crist J . Clark wrote:
> IMHO, all this talk about 'sendmail_outbound_only' and the like is
> adding an extra level of obscurity. I think that what would be even
> better would just be good comments on the 'sendmail_flags' variable.
> How about in /etc/rc.conf or /etc/defaults/rc.conf,
> 
>   #sendmail_flags="-bd -q30m" # Flags tell sendmail to listen for incoming
>                               #   mail and check outgoing queue every 30 min
>   sendmail_flags="-q30m"      # Flag tells sendmail to check outgoing queue
>                               #   every 30 min, does not listen for incoming
> 
> Just an example, but I really think these changes are so easy with
> just tweaking that variable that it is ridiculus to make it more
> complex.

If we do this, we'll be killed by everyone who wants usability by
default.  If we have 'sendmail_outboundonly_enable' (or a better name),
we can toggle the switch in sysinstall, so we can be "secure by
default", and "usable from install" at the same time.

>  But for anything truly complex, like changing sendmail.cf, we
> just have to let the user fend for themselves. It is beyond the scope
> of sysinstall.

Yes, I agree.

Neil
-- 
Neil Blakey-Milner
Sunesi Clinical Systems
nbm@mithrandr.moria.org


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