Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:15:03 -0700 From: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> To: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support Message-ID: <423CA467.9050804@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <200503192205.j2JM5dgk024696@cvs.openbsd.org> References: <200503192205.j2JM5dgk024696@cvs.openbsd.org>
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Theo de Raadt wrote: >>I'm not stuffing anything down anyone's throats. > > > You are insulting me on public lists. > > You are, thus, also telling your users not to bother your beloved > Adaptec. > > You're telling them what the binary which you worked on is the best > they are going to get. > > >>I'm enabling FreeBSD >>users to use the resources that are available to them. > > > By attacking my efforts, you are telling them that the aaccli you > worked on is the best they are going to get, and that participating > with what I am doing is foolish. > > >>That's quite >>different than cancelling developer work and threatening to remove a >>driver due to a political dispute. > > > The driver is not shipping because traction must be gained against a > vendor who you are apologizing for. > > >>Freedom isn't about coercing others >>to believe the same things that I believe. > > > Freedom is something one fights for. Freedom is not something that > just happens. > > Freedom is something that happens when someone puts their toes out there, > with a stance, an attempt, a struggle. > > Freedom is not something that happens when Scott long makes apologies > for Adaptec and slags Theo on public sites ... when Theo decides to > use his project to take action against non-freedom from a vendor. > > I am trying to do something to create greater freedom. You are not > helping with my effort. Nor are you are not standing on the sidelines. > You're FIGHTING ME. You are on Adaptec's closed side. > > >>I personally don't care about Adaptec anymore, but I do care about the >>people there. > > > More than you care about getting the best freedom for FreeBSD or *BSD, > or about the *other* people in the FreeBSD who might want that effort. > > No. You would rather stand up for the people at Adaptec. > > >>If LSI or whoever else can provide better support, then >>that's fine with me. I do however have quite a bit of experience in >>knowing how things work at Adaptec and knowing what compromises can be >>made. > > > Then help me. Don't slag me. > Then I'll return to my original statement and say that you never sought out my help. I don't follow OpenBSD, but I would have been happy to lend whatever help I could with resources and contacts if you had contacted me long ago. > >>Adaptec isn't one person, it isn't Doug Richardson or any other >>single individual. They do make a whole lot of stupid mistakes and >>close doors on opportunities, but there is no reason to vilify Doug >>for it. > > > Then help me. > > I am not vilifying Doug. Doug said we should go through him. Now he's > getting mails from people, because he said we should go THROUGH HIM. It's your standard tactic of, "hey everyone, so-and-so isn't meeting my demands on my timeline, so here's his email adress! Go and mailbomb him!" I think that Doug is doing everything that he can right now to satisfy not only OpenBSD, but everyone. However, it takes time, and just because he's not meeting your timeline doesn't mean that he's giving you the run around or that you should start making silly threats that will only hurt your users. I'm done with this thread. A closed binary managmeent app isn't ideal, but it's better than nothing. I worked on it because I knew the compromises I could make at the time and I wanted to give the FreeBSD community something for it. I don't have infinite time and resources to fight the noble causes like Theo does, and I think that cooperation and comprise are better in the long run than constant conflict. If Theo or anyone else wants help on making the kernel driver better, let me know. If they want to help Adaptec follow through on it's stated plan to release suitable tools in the near future, then stop antagonizing them and making silly threats. The shouting and the threats and all the other tripe reflect poorly on everyone, whether you choose to see it or not, and _that's_ what I oppose in Theo, not his passion for openness. Scott
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