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Date:      Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:22:39 +0100
From:      Daniel Lang <langd-freebsd-hackers@leo.org>
To:        Josef Karthauser <joe@tao.org.uk>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Anyone where to get a signed SSL certificate cheap?
Message-ID:  <20030205202239.GA19957@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
In-Reply-To: <20030205181724.GB87471@genius.tao.org.uk>
References:  <20030205181724.GB87471@genius.tao.org.uk>

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Hi Joe,

Josef Karthauser wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:17:24PM +0000:
> I know that this is slightly off topic, but maybe someone here could
> advise me.
> 
> I need to obtain a certificate to use on my openssl/apache web server,
> but looking at Verisign and Thawte it appears that they're charging a
> lot of money ($450) per year for one!  Does anyone know where I can get
> one cheaper?  Last time I bought I'm sure that they were only $100/yr
[..]
> p.s. yes, I know that I could self-sign, but this is for an ecommerce
> system and I'd prefer our customer's customers not to have to ask
> themselves why the certificate is in our name and not our customer's! :)
[..]

Ok, you got some opinions already. Here is my suggestion.

Why not create a Root CA. VeriSign is no way trustworthier than
your company. True, their certificate is part of many browsers by
default, but that need not be such a killing argument.

My suggestion: 
  - Create a Root CA
  - For your Customer: create a CA for your Customer, signed by
    your Root CA.
  - Create certificates signed by the Customer CA.

Of Course The CA certificates (of both Root and Customer CA)
need be imported into browsers, but that is not such a big problem.
The DER format can be directly imported into the browser by just
clicking on a corresponding link.

You could provide such links on the eCommerce-Systems entrance page.

- Advantages: 
  * The certificate would be signed in behalf of your customer
    (und just their certificate would be signed by you, but
	 your customer's customers wouldn't probably notice).

  * The costs are not per year but once for the effort to set
    the things up.

  * You can create more certificates and even additional CAs
    with no extra expenses.
 
- Disadvantages:

  * End-Customers may need to import the CA certificates into their
    browser.

  * They may be ignorant and "trust" a $BIG_CERTIFICATE_COMPANY
    more than you, but there is no real reason for that.


So just some food for thought, I guess. :-)

Best regards,
 Daniel
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