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Date:      Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:46:45 +0100
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Reko Turja <reko.turja@liukuma.net>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux
Message-ID:  <20140324004645.GD91792@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net>
In-Reply-To: <CCD9FE91966E4B779886CB8053C809FA@Rivendell>
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 01:00:17AM +0200, Reko Turja wrote:
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Randy Bush
>=20
> > in the hope that ports will be made usable before so many people give up
> > that critical mass is lost.  a real tragedy if the great freebsd core
> > dies because of ports lack of usability.
>=20
> Interestingly, I've found the ports nowadays to be almost exact opposite =
of=20
> unusable, but then I don't use FreeBSD as a desktop, the boxes are in=20
> firewall, server etc. uses. Ports coupled with pkgng and portupgrade work=
=20
> just a treat on freshly built 10.0 system, nowadays one can run=20
> portupdate -rf <portname> and get the end result that's expected instead =
of=20
> building tons of stuff that isn't in any need of update.
>=20
> Of course, there are warts, snags and bumps now and then, but based on wh=
at=20
> I've seen, I like where the project is heading. Unless in the future the=
=20
> only way to build ports is using Poudriere + Sun/Oracle "How to get the=
=20
> suck... errr, customer invest into tons of our very costly special memory=
"=20
> filesystem.

poudriere works perfectly without zfs ;)

regards,
Bapt

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