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Date:      Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:06:02 -0700
From:      Bengt Richter <bokr@accessone.com>
To:        Mitch Collinsworth <mitch@ccmr.cornell.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ?
Message-ID:  <3.0.5.32.20000729160602.00914500@mail.accessone.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10007280733160.4338-100000@khitomer.msc.corn ell.edu>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007281240000.682-100000@athena.za.net>

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At 07:41 2000-07-28 -0400 Mitch Collinsworth wrote:
>What's going on here is that this guy is creating local newsgroups to
>distribute these lists into.  Unfortunately his news <---> mail gateway
>is running in both directions, so anything sent to the gateway e-mail
>address is getting fed back into the list posting address and we're all
>seeing it.  Whether this is acceptable practice is a policy question for
>the freebsd lists administrator to deal with.  In the mean time I would
>suggest addressing any complaints to the lists admin and to the address
>in his X-Complaints-To: header, usenet@news.kharkiv.net.
>
>-Mitch
>

Maybe there is a win-win possibility after the initial annoyance.

The "arkiv" in kharkiv.net sugggests the idea that they're subscribing
to various lists to do automatic archiving. I would like access to that,
especially with search capability. BUT ... not at the cost of seeing
a kind of cross-post spam in freebsd-security.

I don't think newsgroup (if that's what it's about) posts should
automatically be passed through to mailing lists. For one thing, many
news reader programs blindly copy the cross-posting info such that
even experienced users may accidentally spam unintentionally in sending
a quick reply. To have that kind of traffic into freebsd-security (and
the other lists I haven't Cc'd) would be disruptive. If that is what's
coming, I would vote for blocking their incoming traffic.

I would hope it's just a temporary configuration error of some kind,
to give them the benefit of the doubt. An unmoderated newsgroup connected
as feared would amount to a spam pass-through. There's enough already
directly.

However, they  may well be doing a valuable service for a group of people
(potentially including us) by passively taking a single feed from
freebsd-security@freebsd.org and publishing it in a context of their own
(guessing that is their intent).

Just so their subscribers have to take an "opt-in" action
(like filling in Cc:)  _each time_ in order to post to a
mailing list, not an "opt-out" each time to override auto-spam.

Regards,
Bengt Richter
P.S. Could we filter to exclude non-subscribers and have a category
of listen-only subscribers to deal with the current issue, if necessary?



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