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Date:      Wed, 29 May 2013 10:18:26 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Alexander Leidinger <netchild@freebsd.org>, Glen Barber <gjb@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Order of canonical upgrade sequence
Message-ID:  <05285081-3881-4AD7-8F17-EF919F2A0076@bsdimp.com>
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On May 29, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Chris Rees wrote:

> Hi all!
>=20
> Back in 2005, when Alexander Leidinger wrote the make delete-old
> target, he documented the order of upgrade such that it should be run
> before mergemaster [1];
>=20
> #  7.  `make installworld'
> #  8.  `make delete-old'
> #  9.  `mergemaster'
>=20
> I have merged the delete-old section of the Handbook into the
> upgrading chapter, and independently decided to put mergemaster first,
> because I thought it would be safer, but checked here before I
> committed.
>=20
> I think that steps 8 and 9 should be reversed, because of the
> possibility of an unbootable system being made, when an rc script
> references an executable that has just been removed for example.

While I don't care, any old scripts that are removed won't make the =
system unbootable. delete-old deletes both the executable and the rc =
script in those cases where we've moved functionality out of the base =
system. The rc scripts themselves have protection against executables =
not found, and the damage will be limited to at most the one script that =
references that binary. Since the binary is gone, the ill effects are =
minimal.

So I'm finding it hard to believe this is a credible example of danger.

> I cannot think of an example where the system is left
> unbootable/damaged if make delete-old is run after mergemaster.

I'm not sure that it will be that much safer, but to be honest, I run =
delete-old about once every presidential election cycle on my machines.

> What do people think of the patch at [2]?

It's likely a tiny bit safer, but I don't think it is necessary.

Warner

> Chris
>=20
> [1] http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/Makefile?r1=3D148329&r2=3D148330=
&
>=20
> [2] http://www.bayofrum.net/~crees/patches/delete-old-order.diff




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