Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 01:20:45 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Greg Lehey" <grog@lemis.com> Cc: "Bill Moran" <wmoran@iowna.com>, "a brody" <abrody@smart.net>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: Where is Mac OS X in your ports page? Message-ID: <003501c0e74f$17ccbc20$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010528161452.M81508@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@lemis.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:45 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Bill Moran; a brody; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: Where is Mac OS X in your ports page? > > >> Time: June 1999 > >Hardly news any more, is it? > Using that logic there's no reason whatsoever to have old press releases on the FreeBSD website. So, why do we have them then? I'll tell you - it's to provide historical perspective. So, OK you guys are 2 years late putting up Jordan's comments. Let me ask you - if you don't put them up now, then a year from now where will you be - well you will be 3 years late putting it up, that's what. Put up the link and be done with it, quit making excuses for someone who dropped the ball 2 years ago. Besides that, since MacOS X was released in March (I think) certainly that should have been listed in the press releases section as well. Jordan Hubbard is listed as the Project's Public Relations & Corporate Liaison person - he speaks for the Project and should be writing press releases, not I. > >OK. The way this project works is that somebody submits an article. >Preferably formatted in SGML, and with appropriate punctuation, but we >don't insist on that one. We try not to point fingers. As you have >proven, you can write. Why not come up with something we can really >put up on the web site? > >Here's your chance. Write an article about the relationship between >FreeBSD and MacOS X and we'll put it up. > To be perfectly honest I could do a FreeBSD<->Darwin<->MacOS X connection article, but I feel uncomfortable being the one to do it. I don't own a Mac, I've never in the past been a particularly ardent or known Apple booster in fact. I am much happier with Apple today now because of their work with BSD, but I'd still probably recommend against purchase of a Mac to anyone that asked, although I'll admit that this is a change for me because before MacOS X I'd have never recommended purchase of any Apple equipment ever. I still carry very strong reservations against Apple's hardware decisions, (USB is an abomination that Apple released to torment PC users, and I'm pissed they are abandoning SCSI in favor of IDE because it's letting the disk manufacturers screw us on SCSI prices now) Their translucent case designs also make me throw up for sheer ugliness. I'm hopful that MacOS X represents a change for Apple and that in a few years they will grow up and start selling hardware that looks like a computer instead of a cheap Barbie Doll makeup case, running on PowerPC chips that kick the stuffing out of Intel, and running UNIX and X. I know that with an alien CPU architecture that you don't have the Windows backwards compatability holding you back and you can make some truly powerful hardware. So the ingredients are there and I think this is Apple's best chance in years to rejoin the Real Man's computer community, but my fear is that the Mac users will hamstring Apple and go after yet another tired version of MacOS 9.1, and in a few years sheer economic forces will cause Apple to abandon MacOS X as an expensive flop, and they will be marginalized again by their users with all their incompatible, icky stuff like File Forks and Appletalk Protocol. The same thing happened when Novell attempted to move NetWare over to UNIX - Novell took it's future in both hands and threw it down the toilet when they abandonded UnixWare, because they didn't have the gumption to take it in the stomach for a few years and give up current revenues for much greater future revenues. So, rightly I feel this article your looking for ought to be written by an ardent Mac user with lots of Mac history, who also uses and loves FreeBSD. If the Mac users begged me I'd write it - but right now I feel that my role is just to stick up for them with the BSD community, because honestly if you look at the FreeBSD docs we have really been ignoring them much more than they have been us, and that's not fair. You know that I speak up when I feel someone who should be friendly is backstabbing FreeBSD - well I also don't like seeing FreeBSD backstab friends, even inadvertantly. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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