Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 22:24:33 -0500 From: Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net> To: Mark Martinec <Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si> Cc: "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, "Wojciech A. Koszek" <wkoszek@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Merge ping+ping6 and traceroue+traceroute6 to single utilities? Message-ID: <05380FA6-4E24-4BFA-AB96-81665C867ABA@dataix.net> In-Reply-To: <3feb1ef62b087b8bf00f34c42c5c2954@mailbox.ijs.si> References: <1063008459.20140111160525@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52D14140.3090003@gibfest.dk> <20140111.143644.41639035.sthaug@nethelp.no> <52D15185.50802@gibfest.dk> <CAO2cuEM2qVu2PGOJ2WfFz-aiQKw8T6drGz4oxLkUAEnXptK8TQ@mail.gmail.com> <0c45208d87526a80f559ac09e28163c2.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <EA9CBB60-05B6-4A7A-A904-7FCC791E8FB8@dataix.net> <DE9F510E-B9A5-4687-A364-8CD13D7F03F0@netgate.com> <CAF6rxgmOup-_%2B4=RAT-hD1cDfOUJ3F-6entDUDB7rgxjDXGkag@mail.gmail.com> <CAO2cuEMxu-ZSrq24y5jPBibCX8Fw10RKMMiGebK0zbiagdf_UA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN6yY1ssc9DzYDzfYA8BSTGRqR6TOdk%2BoB%2BadyMnrim8Vdoxig@mail.gmail.com> <3feb1ef62b087b8bf00f34c42c5c2954@mailbox.ijs.si>
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--Apple-Mail-DE296154-25EF-470F-8900-A78FBC004AF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Feb 13, 2014, at 20:40, Mark Martinec <Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si> wr= ote: >=20 > 2014-02-11, Mark Martinec wrote: >> Remember the original PHK's story ( http://bikeshed.com/ ) ? >> It ended favourably for the sleep(1) command, it got its new feature. >> What can be learned there is: just needs someone to do it and be >> persistent enough to be accepted. >> Looks like a perfect task for Google Summer of Code 2014, >> time to apply is very near: >> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 >=20 >=20 > 2014-02-12, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> For those who are new at IPv6, the ping6 and traceroute6 commands come fr= om >> the WIDE KAME project. KAME developed one of the earliest IPv6 stacks and= >> WIDE used FreeBSD. It became the FreeBSD IPv6 stack and the ping6 and >> traceroute6 utilities were brought in with the rest of the KAME code. >> When these tools were written, the IPv6 stack and the supporting librarie= s >> and APIs were very primitive. I suspect that it was quicker to write new >> tools than to try to integrate IPv6 into the existing standard tools and,= >> when things were so rough, there was a clear effort to avoid changes to >> working IPv4 code. Separate IPv4 and IPv6 tools made sense then, but the >> need has long vanished... probably even before the KAME project ended. Bu= t >> the old, separate tools lived on through simple inertia. >> And so it is today. Inertia is NO reason that it should be this way forev= er. >=20 >=20 > I have submitted two entries for FreeBSD Google Summer of Code 2014: >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2014 >=20 > (should show up there eventually after a review, I hope), >=20 > one for a unified ping and ping6, the other for a unified traceroute > and traceroute6. My first impression was that it may be possible to do > both in a single 12 week GSoC job, although after checking existing > source code and writing the proposal it now looks to me more like > two full-time summer jobs, if they are to be done properly and with > attention to details. >=20 > Looking for one, or preferably two, mentors for students for these tasks. > I wonder if Bjoern A. Zeeb wouldn't be the best man for the job ;) >=20 Awesome, personally that would seem like the best route not only to have the= focus on the tool itself but to put focus on achieving one or another eithe= r way it's progress. If we were voting I couldn't agree more with Bjoern if he would accept it.. 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