Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:14:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) To: nadav@barcode.co.il (Nadav Eiron) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Questions) Subject: Re: XF86 & fvwm Problem, Help? (fwd) Message-ID: <199609171414.QAA08981@allegro.lemis.de> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.91.960917152917.13592A-100000@gatekeeper.barcode.co.il> from "Nadav Eiron" at Sep 17, 96 03:33:22 pm
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Nadav Eiron writes: > > On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Jerry Dunham writes: >>> >>> Branson Matheson babbled: >>>> You might also look at using xdm instead .. with that you will have >>>> a graphical login prompt. And it will automagically restart every >>>> time you logout. The nice thing about this and freebsd is that you >>>> can still use a text console with syscons. >>> >>> So far, this seems to be terrible advice. I messed with xdm more this >>> morning, and it does exactly what he says it does - automagically restart. >>> I am completely unable to get out of it. >> >> Bummer, isn't it? FWIW, I've just got a free SCO Open Deathtrap, and >> it does just the same thing, though first it kills your mouse so you >> can't do anything inside X either. >> >>> If I've logged in as root I can >>> get back to the login screen, but I can't quit from there: ^D doesn't work >>> and neither does your suggestion of ^[alt]-[backspace]. >> >> ctrl-alt-backspace will kill the X server, which xdm will then >> cheerfully restart. >> >>> The only way out seems to be to login as root and type "shutdown -h >>> now". If I've logged in as dunham I can't even do that, and su >>> doesn't work. >> >> Fix your /etc/group (yes, I know I've told you, but I'm copying >> -questions): assuming your name is dunham, change the line reading >> >> wheel:*:0:root,grog,bin >> >> to read >> >> wheel:*:0:root,grog,bin,dunham >> >> su looks at this to decide whether to let you su or not. >> >>> I'm going back to startx, unless you can give me some reason why I >>> should consider xdm that isn't obvious to the uninitiated, and tell >>> me how to REALLY get out of it. >> >> xdm is great for people who never want (nor need) to see a character >> mode display. Unfortunately, not everything runs under X, and xdm >> effectively takes away some of your freedom. I use xinit myself, and >> for the life of me I can't recall what the difference is from startx. >> Not much, anyway. You could consider them interchangeable. >> >> Greg >> >> > I don't know what your other problems are, but you can always use a > character interface on another virtual console even if xdm is running. > The only different is you need to use ctrl-alt-Fx instead of just Alt-Fx > to switch consoles. Thanks. I didn't know that. > FWIW you may have more than one X server running as > well (just like you have more than one virtual character cell console). > > If you want to kill xdm - simply do it! Do ps auxw | grep xdm, and you'll > see something like: > root 156 0.0 0.0 292 0 ?? IW Tue07PM 0:00.09 > /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm > > Just kill that! (with kill -9 156, for example). This would kill xdm for > good (at least if you started it from rc.local and not from /etc/ttys). Yes, I did know that. A word of warning, though: I believe you that this works on FreeBSD, at least some of the time, but I've seen it really screw up other related systems (specifically BSD/OS), and I suspect that it might happen on FreeBSD too with different X servers or different display boards. Obviously, if you find no other way out, you can try it, but it might be better just to reboot. > I didn't follow this thread from the beginning, so if my input is > irrelevant please ignore it. Thanks, it's been useful. Greg
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