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Date:      Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:33:45 -0800
From:      gummibear@we.mediaone.net
To:        newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Unix Desktop
Message-ID:  <3.0.1.32.19981224133345.006990d4@we.mediaone.net>

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I've been working with Unix for about a Year (or was it 2 years, I forget).
 Actually, it may have been longer than that but I really wasn't productive
with Unix so I don't count that time.

This posting/email is basically about all my gripes concerning the X
Desktop.  Christmas just puts me in a bad mood, I'm usually not a
complainer.  But... *shrug*

Anyways, I still have alot to learn about the system and how it works.
Mostly I think I should really get into C programming to fully understand
how it functions internally.

I mostly use my system as a Desktop alternative to Windows 95.  Windows 95
may have alot of internal problems and stability problems, but the
interface really isn't that bad.  Everything seems to look and work well
together, such as icons, menus, toolbars that dock along the side, etc.  As
far as appearance goes, it all seems to lookg good (although sometimes it
doesn't work so great).

On the other hand, on my X desktop I've used KDE and WindowMaker and both
are pretty nice.  Window Maker has the cool Next-like look and feel. It
looks nice and keeps it's Unix attitude.  It also doesn't take a whole lot
of memory to run, which is really nice!!  KDE makes the system usable to MS
Windows users, and it all keeps a good level of interface standardization
(ala KDE style) and it has alot of neat applications of it's own.  It seems
to look like OS/2, Windows 95, and MacOS all roled into one.  Only problem,
it's a resource hog.

Lately, I have basically evaluating the X Windows system, and I just can't
figure out why it hasn't been made any easier for average users.  I can't
figure out why antialiased fonts (such as true type fonts) haven't been
made the standard.  I can't figure out why there hasn't been a solution to
the problem of not having a standardized Interface (or a few standardized
interfaces to choose from when developing applications or whatever - choice
isn't a bad thing).  I can't figure out why the standard X libraries and
widget set hasn't been given the 90's look and feel (ala qt libraries).

I guess my biggest gripe is the font thing, because my girlffried keeps
bitching about it.  She does alot of work in photoshop using true type
fonts.  I know there are true type font servers for X windows, but she like
the ability to easily install and delete fonts with a click of a mouse
button and having the system do it's magic automatically.  And that's what
keeps me from getting Windows 95 once and for all.

Well actually that's one reason I don't get rid of windows. She also likes
AOL Instant Messager so she can keep in contact with her family.  The tcl
version seems to need some work.  I don't know anything about the java
version to evaluate it.

I'm just wondering is there an alternative to X Windows?  Has another
Windowing system been developed for Unix?  I was just curious.  *I* can put
up with X Windows and stuff, but what about those users that don't have the
time to learn it all and/or have the patience to battle with it.  I
remember the days that I used to battle with .fvwmrc and .steprc.
Everytime I downloaded and installed a new application I had to edit the
file to add an icon or whatever.  Then I get bored of my set up and
rearrage the whole thing. heh heh But that's how I had my fun I guess.

I've been trying to figure out how I can speed up my programming learning
process to see if I can take AfterStep 1.0 and make it more modular with
all sorts of little applicatios to change it's appearance and how it works.
 I guess a little project to get me into learning how to do it all, I guess.

I have also been wondering if a java based window manager can be created
for X Windows.  That would be interesting I think, although I'll have to
learn how to program in Java. heh  Lot's to learn.!!

Okay, I guess I'm done with all my whining.  Like I said, I'm usually not
like this...Christmas just puts me in a bad mood. :/  heh heh  Maybe I
should piss off my gf and totally remove Win95...how's that sound?  ;)

Well talk to you all later,

Joey
a.k.a. Scrooge
a.k.a. The Grinch
etc

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