Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:32:08 -0400 From: drifter@stratos.net To: b <bryanw@666.org> Cc: jkb@best.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mp3 & SB16 PnP problems Message-ID: <19980713113208.A8495@stratos.net> In-Reply-To: <199807130255.TAA08944@shell3.ba.best.com>; from b on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 07:55:18PM -0700 References: <199807122227.SAA05475@somniac.org> <199807130255.TAA08944@shell3.ba.best.com>
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On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 07:55:18PM -0700, b wrote:
> There should be no reason to have to pay $20 to use that product, when
> it is possible to get the SB16 pnp working for FREE.
In my case, it wasn't. And $20 is not that much.
>
> I laud the efforts of Opensound,
In fact, commercial support is not only acceptable, it is a good
thing as far as development for FreeBSD is concerned. I appreciate
the core team was willing to put this OS together for
free, but I don't insist that everything I use be free (cost-wise,
or even source-wise).
> but if you are willing to work at it,
> it is worthwhile to LEARN SOMETHING and configure it with your own
> effort, and with the help of others on the list. It is an invaluable
> experience.
>
With all due respect, I don't agree with your analysis of the
situation. In fact, I was willing to work at it, and LEARN SOMETHING.
Working with FreeBSD, I have learned quite a bit. However, I must
point out that certain practical realities can change things a bit.
I have worked on this for several months, not days or weeks.
It is not laziness on my part, especially when one considers
that time that could be spent on investigating the finer intricacies of
sound cards are generally spent on other obligations like work, familiy,
etc. (getting SB16 to work isn't important to me :)
> Incidentally, I cannot get the ESS Es1868 working with the standard code.
> The OpenSound product works with that nicely. I don't like having to do
> 'soundon' and 'soundoff'. I'd rather have the sound support built into
/etc/rc :)
> the kernel. I'll keep trying to get this working without the OpenSound
> product (since I don't want to pay the $20, and will probably just let
> the eval version expire..).
>
> The problem below is that /dev/dsp is linked to dsp0 instead of dsp1..
> Pnp devices are mapped to 1 instead of 0 (the first device is, anyway).
I keep forgetting, was the above 2-line graph referring to
Opensound or your efforts to get SB16 working. If it was the latter, I
assure my problems had nothing to do with inproperly linked /dev files.
>
> Gentle user, please read the documentation that comes with the sound
> driver.
From me, in the original post:
> > Numerous questions to mailing lists, USENET
> > groups, sound.doc's, hacking soundcard.h's, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > It took me far and wide looking for an answer,
Gentle responder, please read my entire posting before assuming
I didn't read the documentation :) Fact is, I did read it, but that doesn't
mean it is going to work. Every computer and OS setup has unique quirks that
sound.doc's can't cover.
If my posting seemed a bit harsh, it was my frustration with
getting sound to work. It was not a criticism to the FreeBSD team,
Luigi, nor VoxWare, nor did I ever imply it was. I laud their efforts,
but people working for free do not always have the time or resources
to cover every unique situation, nor matter how much they are willing
to try. That's where commercial support can help.
>
> > In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980711214904.27762A-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>; from
> > Jan B. Koum on Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 09:51:46PM -0700
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 09:51:46PM -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I just compiled 2.2.6-RELEASE with Luigi's pnp code. However, when
> > > I try to play mp3, I get:
> > >
> > > 0wn# ./mpg123 /usr/home/jkb/mp3/*.mp3
> > > High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2 and 3.
> > > Version 0.59k (1997/07/13). Written and copyrights by Michael Hipp.
> > > Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more!
> > > THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
> > > Can't open /dev/dsp!
> > > 0wn# ls -l dsp
> > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4 Jul 11 22:52 dsp -> dsp0
> > > 0wn# cat sndstat
> > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (980215) Jul 11 1998 22:26:05
> > > Installed devices:
> > > pcm1: <SoundBlaster 16 4.13> at 0x220 irq 5 dma 1:5
> > > sequencer1: <???> at 0x388 (not functional)
> > > 0wn#
> > >
> > > Any ideas? Please cc: me -- I am not on the list currently.
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -- Yan
> >
> > May I take this space to recommend a commercial resolution to
> > your problem?
> >
> > http://www.opensound.com
> >
> > 4Front-Technologies has a commercial sound driver for a mere
> > $20 -- well worth it if you want to avoid the pain and agony. You can
> > download an evaluation copy and test it for a week, before registering
> > for a license. They support a large number of sound cards, including the
> > SB16. I just grabbed it off their site a couple days ago and
> > have been very happy with it.
> > I spent literally /months/ trying to get sound to
> > work properly on my FreeBSD system. I tried both VoxWare and Luigi's
> > PnP sound code, but was only able to get 8 bit sound working most of
> > the time (and 16 bit working 5% of the time, randomly).
> > Though others managed to get SB16 working on their systems,
> > getting my SB16 to work was quite possibly the most frustrating experience.
> > (Even worse than ppp :).
> > Numerous questions to mailing lists, USENET
> > groups, sound.doc's, hacking soundcard.h's, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
> > It took me far and wide looking for an answer, but in the end I found
> > 4Front. Wish I discovered them a long time ago :)
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > --
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> > "Am I the only one that cringes every time I hear somebody refer
> > to a disk drive as a 'solution'? It's bad enough I have to listen to that
> > marketing hype from vendors, but now it seems to be infiltrating every-day
> > conversation. I'll decide if that 9GB hard drive is a 'solution' to my
> > problem or not, thank you very much..."
> >
> >
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> --
> b
>
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