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Date:      Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:34:00 -0400
From:      Joshua Lee <yid@softhome.net>
To:        George Reid <greid@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        tlambert2@mindspring.com, nwestfal@directvinternet.com, chat@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail?
Message-ID:  <20020909233400.46ba564a.yid@softhome.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020906201057.A18193@FreeBSD.org>
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:10:57 +0100
George Reid <greid@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> I assume you mean Isaiah 7:14 ("The virgin will be with child and will
> give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel").  The Hebrew verse
> reads "Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o
> Immanuel"."ha-almah" does indeed mean "the young woman".  However, it
> needs to be read in its social context -- "almah" typically refers to
> a young woman who is not yet married and therefore assumably a virgin.

I remember when studying this issue several verses of the Tanakh (OT) used this word for definite non-virgins. Unfortunately I don't own a concordance, so I can't post chapter and verse at the moment.

>  There *is* a 
> specific Hebrew word ("betulah") for "virgin" but it wasn't used here.

Correct.

> "parthenos" in later traditions.  Additionally, the definite Hebrew
> article "ha" (the) appears to have been replaced with the indefinite
> "e" (the) in the Greek.  I *believe* (although I am not certain as I

When it says "the", it implies someone that both he and King Ahaz knew.
This is refering to the birth of King Hezekiel if memory serves me
correctly. Really; in what way would a prediction of an eventual messiah
ally King Ahaz's concerns about approaching troops?

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