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Date:      Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:05:05 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Matt Piechota <piechota@argolis.org>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
Cc:        "Carroll, D. (Danny)" <Danny.Carroll@mail.ing.nl>, <freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Silly crackers... NT is for kids...
Message-ID:  <20010818150053.C4969-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org>
In-Reply-To: <15229.34962.653064.226276@nomad.yogotech.com>

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Nate Williams wrote:

> Agreed, but given the recent telnetd exploit, I'm not sure you want it
> on by default.  Even in our heavily-firewalled environment, we don't
> want *ALL* of the users to have root access on our FreBSD boxes. :)

I must have misspoke.  There's only 4 of us that have the root password on
our machines, but we 4 telnet everywhere as root.  And just horrify
everyone, my lead actaully runs X as root, as did I for awhile.

> Having the users enable it by default makes them more aware of what's
> going on.  (Although, one could argue that all the folks who are still
> infected with CodeRed initially enabled it, and have done nothing
> since...)

I completely agree.  I like the way RedHat 7.1 disables almost everything
on install.  One could argue that they shouldn't even install sshd, since
they may well have a bug in it as well.

> Actually, it is.  See the archives of how easy it is to blow the switch
> out of the water. :)

Fair enough.

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