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Date:      Wed, 31 May 2000 10:05:43 +0200
From:      Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de>
To:        Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>
Cc:        Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>, Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>, Tim Vanderhoek <vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca>, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org
Subject:   Re: bin/18900: patch to add colorizing feature to /bin/ls
Message-ID:  <20000531100543.B80830@curry.mchp.siemens.de>
In-Reply-To: <20000531120640.A46527@phoenix.welearn.com.au>; from jon@welearn.com.au on Wed, May 31, 2000 at 12:06:42PM %2B1000
References:  <Doug@gorean.org> <200005310105.CAA44640@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20000531120640.A46527@phoenix.welearn.com.au>

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On Wed, 31-May-2000 at 12:06:42 +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote:
> On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 02:05:54AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote:
> > > 	I don't see anyone asking for 'ls' to wash their breakfast dishes
> > > for them. The facts remain:
> > > 
> > > 1. People _do_ want this. It gets asked often on -questions.
> > > 2. The code is already written. 
> > > 3. It adds almost no bloat.
> > > 4. It's totally, completely optional. 
> > > 
> > > 	The only possible change I'd consider is making the colors the
> > > same as gnuls' defaults. That'd flatten out the learning curve for people
> > > coming over from linux, and those who like the traditional colors could
> > > use the environment variable to set them. 
> > > 
> > > 	So, other than on "purist" grounds, are there any other
> > > objections?
> > 
> > Yes, but I can't think of any at the moment !!! <grumble!>
> 
> i can think of several, but as freebsd is getting to be as user
> hostile as microsoft windows is to disabled people, so then whats
> one more nail in teh coffin ???
> 
> roll on the eventual microsoftisation of freebsd, as some have
> already said "the sooner the better as far as i'm concerned",
> but, as far as i (personally) am concerned i'd like to see the
> tide if not reversed at least stemed so that this usless
> 'gui-ification' of freebsd (et al) is at least stoped if it
> cannot be totally obliterated..

Well, I assume you don't run X11 or similar. But, it appears you
are using Mutt 0.95.4i. Why not use /usr/bin/mail? :-)

Seriously, nobody want's to microsofticate FreeBSD (btw, M$ does
not have a colored dir command unless you use 4DOS). But obviously
there are more people who would like an optionally colored /bin/ls.

> 
> ok, i'm not just a purist, i'm zealous bigoted purist with a
> cause. neither, am i so blind as to not be able to see that my
> own shit is just like everybodyelses.
> 
> regards
> 
> jonathan, old school, really old school, unix user-convert.


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