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Date:      Wed, 30 Jul 1997 04:02:39 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Craig Johnston <craig@gnofn.org>
To:        Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd@atipa.com>, Rod Ebrahimi <info@pagecreators.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Pentium II?
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.3.95.970730031654.1492A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95q.970729222258.26870F-100000@misery.sdf.com>

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On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Craig Johnston wrote:
> 
> > > > The PII runs 16-bit software better and adds MMX extensions, but for a 
> > > > network server the PPro will still be faster.
> > > 
> > >   The PII/266 will be faster than a PPro/200.
> > 
> > Not buying into Intel's slot 1 ploy is a good enough reason not to run
> > PII's. Slot 1 is not going to be around very long and I wouldn't count
> > on not running into bugs in the relatively untested slot 1 chipset.  
> 
>   If you use that arguement, you shouldn't by anything then!  The PPro

Um, no.  There's this idea of relative quantities, you see?  Slot 1
is going to be short-lived _compared_ to other solutions.  How long
has socket 7 been ticking along now?  It's well known that slot 2 is
coming right on the heels of slot 1.    

Why bother with the Intel "chipset of the week" game?  Slot 1 systems
don't offer anything you can't do better with the same cash with PPro and
socket 7 systems.  The only folks likely to benefit from slot 1 at
all are likely to be Intel -- they'll make a bundle off upgrade-happy
power-lusers who've been exposed to one too many Ziff-Davis magazines.

> (socket 8?) is doomed too, as Intel will not be developing it further (a
> 233mhz version would be nice).  The Pentium MMX is going to max at 233,
> before being put out to pasture.  So, every option is "doomed"...

The real issue is that the PII is untried, whereas FreeBSD systems
on PPro hardware, like ftp.cdrom.com (which serves 2000 simultaneous
ftp users) have been ticking along reliably for quite some time
now.    

> > The PPro 200 offers all the CPU horsepower you're going to need on
> > a FreeBSD network server.  I'd worry about the amount of RAM and 
> > the speed, latency, and number of hard drives.  SCSI, of course. 
> 
>   Really?  You need to get out more... 

Oh, I should have said "unless you're going to be doing a significant
fraction of what ftp.cdrom.com does" -- pardon me. ( Notice I said
"on a network server.")    

So exactly whose critical FreeBSD systems are you building with
PIIs right now, Tom?

-Craig





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