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Date:      Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:23:54 -0500 (EST)
From:      Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
To:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ps on 4.0-current 
Message-ID:  <199911241523.KAA29780@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <199911240546.VAA00843@dingo.cdrom.com>
References:  <19991123183733.A21142@dan.emsphone.com> <199911240546.VAA00843@dingo.cdrom.com>

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<<On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:46:24 -0800, Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> said:

> This was discussed close to death before the changes were committed,

Where, and by whom?  I don't recall seeing any such discussion on
-security.

> and the current behaviour (restricted access) has been agreed by 
> general consensus to be the most appropriate.

Agreed by whom?  Remember POLA?

> Making this behaviour tunable would be bad; it adds another option 

Indeed; it should be reverted completely.  Portable programs may not
rely on their argv[] being ``secret''.  Portable sysadmins rely on
argv[] not being ``secret''.

Having bogus behavior such as this encourages sysadmins to do all
their work as root -- a very Bad Thing.  Not only that, it violates 20
years of UNIX tradition.

-GAWollman

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