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Date:      Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:42:30 -0000
From:      Paul Crossley <paul.crossley@uk.easynet.net>
To:        'j' <dr53003@alltel.net>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   RE: 
Message-ID:  <BE88953625EDD311A1C600508B5A9C580245101A@magrat.office.easynet.net>

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You say that you're new to IX so perhaps this will help
 
For every file you install there is an inode, the inode contains the data
ABOUT the file
think of it as an envelope with who owns the file, who has permission to use
it etc written on it.
 
If you run out of inodes even if you have loads of disk space left you
cannot add any more files
you can just enlarge old ones. 
Taking the envelope analogy, you can stuff more pages in your existing
envelopes but have no spare envelopes to create any new stuff.
 
The upshot of which means it sounds as if your disk is badly partitioned,
since it is a fresh installation
it is probably "/usr" that is full but the error message should tell you
which file system is out of inodes.
 
Re label the disk and make the problem filesystem bigger.
 
 
As to your windows problem, I am happily running 2000 Professional, FreeBSD
and Mandrake Linux from a single 30G disk ( and remember that 1G is 1000M so
your 650M CD will easily fit on a 20G disk).
 
The problem could be with the BIOS although others may be able to comment
better than I
I just know that some older BIOS' can only load boot straps from the first
1024 cylinders.
If this is your problem you could split your 2000 installation into a
minimal bootable area at the start of the disk and a second larger file
system after your BSD.
That way both the FreeBSD bootstraps and the Windows bootstraps can be kept
within the first 1024 cylinders.

-----Original Message-----
From: j [mailto:dr53003@alltel.net]
Sent: 18 December 2000 10:07
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: 


hi.
 
i bought freebsd and ive been trying to install it on my machine.
i run an amd 1000MHz processor with a 40G hard drive.
the problem ive been having over and over is 'no free inodes'
when i try to install all the packages from the 1st cd rom in the
set.  after trying to have it live on the last 20Gs of space, and having
no luck getting it to boot back there, i moved it to the front 20Gs.
if i try to install all the packages there, i get 'no free inodes'
i did get it up and running once, from a standard install.
 
im also having trouble getting it and windows 2000 to like being
on the same disk.  your boot manager doesnt seem to see
beyond a certain point.  it lists windows 2000 as ??? when i go to boot.
if i try to choose ??? to boot into, with windows 2000 on the last 
20G, it wont let me.  if windows 2000 lives in the first 20G, 
and BSD on the last 20G, windows is still listed as ???, i can
boot into it, but then i cant boot into BSD.
 
i'm running the 4.0 release.  granted i'm not 100% sure of every step
i'm taking with BSD since i'm new to the whole *ix scene, but i 
wouldn't think a 650MB cd could fill a 20G hard drive.  That would be
some awesome compression...  30:1 by my calculations, so i'm
sure somethings wrong.
 
i'm going to try to install 4.2 here in a bit.  i'm kind of bummed.
i paid 50$ for the BSD and 0$ for windows 2000 server, and windows
is the only OS i have to write you this email in so far.
 
thanks
 
jerry


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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>You 
say that you're new to IX so perhaps this will help</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>For 
every file you install there is an inode, the inode contains the data ABOUT the 
file</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>think 
of it as an envelope with who owns the file, who has permission to use it etc 
written on it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>If you 
run out of inodes even if you have loads of disk space left you cannot add any 
more files</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>you 
can just enlarge old ones. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>Taking 
the envelope analogy, you can stuff more pages in your existing envelopes but 
have no spare envelopes to create any new stuff.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>The 
upshot of which means it sounds as if your disk is badly partitioned, since it 
is a fresh installation</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>it is 
probably "/usr" that is full but the error message should tell you which file 
system is out of inodes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>Re 
label the disk and make the problem filesystem bigger.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>As to 
your windows problem, I am happily running 2000 Professional, FreeBSD and 
Mandrake Linux from a single 30G disk ( and remember that 1G is 1000M so your 
650M CD will easily fit on a 20G disk).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=109302910-18122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>The 
problem could be with the BIOS although others may be able to comment better 
than I</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>I just 
know that some older BIOS' can only load boot straps from the first 1024 
cylinders.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>If 
this is your problem you could split your 2000 installation into a minimal 
bootable area at the start of the disk and a second larger file system after 
your BSD.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=109302910-18122000>That 
way both the FreeBSD bootstraps and the Windows bootstraps can be kept within 
the first 1024 cylinders.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> j 
  [mailto:dr53003@alltel.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 December 2000 
  10:07<BR><B>To:</B> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
  <BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i bought freebsd and ive been trying to install 
  it on my machine.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i run an amd 1000MHz processor with a 40G hard 
  drive.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the problem ive been having over and over is 'no 
  free inodes'</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>when i try to install all the packages from the 
  1st cd rom in the</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>set.&nbsp; after trying to have it live on the 
  last 20Gs of space, and having</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>no luck getting it to boot back there, i moved it 
  to the front 20Gs.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if i try to install all the packages there, i get 
  'no free inodes'</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i did get it up and running once, from a standard 
  install.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>im also having trouble getting it and windows 
  2000 to like being</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>on the same disk.&nbsp; your boot manager doesnt 
  seem to see</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>beyond a certain point.&nbsp; it 
  lists&nbsp;windows 2000 as ??? when i go to boot.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if i try to choose ??? to boot into, with windows 
  2000 on the last </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>20G, it wont let me.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2>if windows 2000 lives in the first 20G, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and BSD on the last 20G, </FONT><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>windows is still listed as ???,&nbsp;i can</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>boot into it, but then i cant </FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2>boot into BSD.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i'm running the 4.0 release.&nbsp; 
  granted&nbsp;i'm not 100% sure of every step</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i'm taking with BSD since i'm new to the whole 
  *ix scene, but i&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>wouldn't think a 650MB cd could fill a 20G hard 
  drive.&nbsp; That would be</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some awesome compression...&nbsp; 30:1 by my 
  calculations, so i'</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>m</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>sure somethings wrong.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i'm going to try to install 4.2 here in a 
  bit.&nbsp; i'm kind of bummed.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i paid 50$ for the BSD and 0$ for windows 2000 
  server, and windows</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>is the only OS i have to write you this email in 
  so far.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>jerry</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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