Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:59:51 +0000 From: Rick N <solarux@hotmail.com> To: <jcw@highperformance.net>, <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: End of Life is Meaningless Message-ID: <BAY113-W2334A294BB8FB53308E1AFA1690@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <49FF8F2E.60800@highperformance.net> References: <49FF8F2E.60800@highperformance.net>
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You already know your answer: Every one of our SunE10K's=2C E6500's=2C and i think now our E4900's are E= OL=2C according to Sun :)=2C but we keep them running ship-shape(updates et= all) and they have paid for themselves over n over again.=20 However=2C we have a (mirrored) Development department that tests these thi= ngs (as carefully as we can)=2C before major upgrades/OS updates. I hear ya=2C Murphy's Law=2C but also and even more so these days=2C If yo= ur Pruduction dept. is that important then so should your Development dept= . be -without which Production will not absorb future changes reliably. All this depends on what you're using your present servers for?. Ours were= heavily transaction/oracle based=2C along with our FreeBSD apache web serv= er farms'... so I'm sorry if this doesn't giude/or match you much. =20 For example=2C we still "only" use our OpenBSD vpn/firewall server=2C its = now 6 years old and other than 6 reboots (2 due to 2 elect.outages) it simp= ly worked fine=2C our network admin finally upgraded it=2C and performance-= wise its much better. Yes=2C this was situational=2C but it worked like a c= harm. This was after we used a $600 (used) Dell-x86-arch system to test it = prior (at 4:00AM u know what I mean). There were of course=2C a couple prob= lems unfortunately to our customers' chagrin=2C but we didn't lose those cu= tomers and the benefits now were well worth it. =20 But yes=2C I aggree with you=2C EOL means nuthin' (why?=2C just beacuse so= me manufacturer' wants you to spend more money?)-however=2C "support" means= everything (be it HW/SW) that we all know. It's oviously a sutuational (money-dependent) judgement call.=20 You can wait 'till you "need" to change/upgrade/update which may be a very= fatal gamble?=2C OR=2C You test it before. I'd rather have some kind of dev/testing than the alter= native. -be it whatever? =20 cheers. =20 Rick. =20 =20 > Date: Mon=2C 4 May 2009 17:58:22 -0700 > From: jcw@highperformance.net > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: End of Life is Meaningless >=20 > That should be read as "End of Life" is meaningless. Not end of "Life=20 > is Meaningless." Life is still meaningless=2C as is this post if you=20 > disagree. >=20 > It mystifies me that there is this recent tendency for people to get=20 > concerned about EOL. "What do I do?" My answer=2C "Do nothing." Just=20 > because a FreeBSD version is EOL doesn't mean you have to stop using=20 > it. It doesn't mean that your particular version is suddenly prone to=20 > downtime. It doesn't mean you can't install patches even though the=20 > secteam won't be updating CVS. It doesn't mean you can't continue to=20 > develop applications for a major version. >=20 > EOL is a tool for FreeBSD to manage its own house. It is in no way a=20 > directive on how you should manage your house. Queue someone still=20 > running 2.1.5 with uptime stats. Come on. You know you want to show off. >=20 > To the people who have to manage limited resources and must therefore=20 > implement an EOL policy. I commend you on the balancing act. Good on ya=20 > mates. Your doing a fine job. >=20 > Regards=2C > Jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool=2C new character for your Windows Live=99 Messenger.=20 http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9656621=
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