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Date:      Thu, 13 May 1999 15:59:34 -0600
From:      Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
To:        Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG, ragnar@sysabend.org
Subject:   Re: BSD, GPL, the world today.
Message-ID:  <373B4B46.8DDE6A1E@softweyr.com>
References:  <199905131500.LAA42450@lakes.dignus.com>

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Thomas David Rivers wrote:
> 
> Actually - this comes down to the argument of what the market will
> bear, contract law, and the legal ramifications of bugs/problems.
> 
> You "bought" the software, and agreed to the license terms
> when you opened the box, didn't you - Caveat Emptor.

That's a pretty fine legal point that hasn't fully been settled yet, but
the court cases seem to be leaning towards throwing it out.  The shrink
wrap license may finally! become a stupidity of the past within the 
next few years.

> As long as you keep buying it, people/companies will keep making it.

That is how the world, at least the capitalist world, works.  If you
don't like what you got, vote with your wallet and buy something else,
or nothing.

Microsoft Office is a great example of this.  It has *always* had 
credible competitors, and still does, ones that have roughly comparable
features, roughly comparable quality, and far better prices, and yet
it still eats up some 80% of the marketplace.  Why?  Other than some
predatory practices on the part of Microsoft, coercing PC manufacturers
to pay $100 for Office OEM kits when they can buy Corel SuitePerfect for
$8, I can't say.  It's just totally beyond me.


> And, being a software manafacturer myself (see http://www.dignus.com) - the
> thought of having legal responsibility for a potential problem in my
> software (which you've mentioned, despite anyone's best efforts,  will
> have bugs) is very scary.  I would want to pass that responsibility to
> the developers who wrote it,  just as a bridge engineer is responsible
> for the bridge he designs. 

I'm with you so far, and trust me, you ARE responsible for problems in 
your software.  Anyone who can prove either negliegence or misintent can 
sue you for damages regardless of how many feet of tiny type you put on 
your packaging.

> Then, the developers would, presumably, have
> to become licensed and have professional development/malpractice insurance...
> which ultimately drives up the price of the software.

Would it really?  I think we just have a skewed idea of the total cost 
of software.  How expensive is that $39 word processor when it crashes 
and dumps the last four hours of your work into the bit bucket?  I think 
a lot of current software has a much higher cost than we really account 
for.

> So, as everyone else, we disclaim everything up-front in our license
> agreement and sell our software at reasonable prices.

No, we sell it at prices that people are willing to pay for it.  They 
might be willing to pay more, if they more fully understood the true 
cost, but I doubt it.  Lets face it, MOST software is sold, or at 
least oriented towards, those of us here the "land of the all you can 
eat buffet."  All that crashware (not implying yours here!) isn't
necessarily cheap, but it is flat-rate.  ;^)

> But -hackers isn't likely the place for this...

Right, so I've replied to -chat, and directed replies there.

-- 
       "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

Wes Peters                                                 Softweyr LLC
http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr                      wes@softweyr.com


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