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Date:      Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:40:03 -0500
From:      "Patrick Seal" <patseal@hyperhost.net>
To:        <pat.groce@state.sd.us>
Cc:        "FBSDQ" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
Message-ID:  <000001be0c07$fb4107c0$0200a8c0@asus.hyperhost.net>
In-Reply-To: <5D2C95997022D21187350008C7F4CF793E6C00@ESPR1SRV5.state.sd.us>

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I'm only 15 years old and have 3 FreeBSD systems up and running on a
small lan. I've had no problem not solved by the list.  If you would
actually *READ* all the information out their,(including the readme
that COMES with 3.0) it would tell you not to use any NON STABLE
version for production systems.  My Windows systems crash multiple
times a day and bite more that you do.

Have a nice M$ day :)

Patrick Seal
patseal@hyperhost.net

Hyperhost
Web Hosting and Design
http://www.hyperhost.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
> pat.groce@state.sd.us
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:30 PM
> To: jlemon@americantv.com; pat.groce@state.sd.us
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
>
>
> I couldn't get anything but 3.0 over the net. I mean i
> download boot.flp and
> fdimage.exe, made my install disk, and 3.0 was what i got.
> DON'T BLAME ME, I
> DID EVERYTHING THE WWW.FREEBD.ORG TOLD ME TO FOR AN
> INSTALL. Why didn't the
> web site or setup program warn me not to install 3.0?
>
> The web page at
> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html made it all
> sound so simple. I didn't know there were hidden issues!
>
> If the system isn't configured correctly its FREEBSD'S
> fault! Why can't a
> fresh install even stand on two legs? So what if its out of
> disk space? Not
> my fault. It should have configured the partitions
> correctly from the first
> place. What a joke! And you're blaming ME for the system
> having problems?
>
> ADMIT IT! FREEBSD CAN NEVER HOLD A CANDLE TO NT. ONLY A
> MOUNTAIN TROLL WHO
> SPENDS HIS DAYS SLOBBERING OVER A KEYBOARD HACKING SYSTEM
> CODE COULD EVER
> GET IT WORKING.
>
> This os is not for the business world!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@americantv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: pat.groce@state.sd.us
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
>
>
> On Nov 11, 1998 at 10:01:11AM -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote:
> > We had been running freebsd for 4 years to handle our
> internet email. Last
> > week the hard drive crashed on the system. I had a tape backup of
> important
> > files so i reinstalled using the new freebsd 3.0 version.
>
> Let me get this straight; You had a system crash, so instead of
> re-installing a known good system, you upgrade a production system
> to the bleeding edge (3.0) without any prior testing?
>
> Honestly, this was a mistake, and the version that should have
> been installed was installed was 2.2.7.
>
>
> > cryptic errors. Sendmail keeps giving me an error:
> > sendmail[131]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0, SMTP-DAEMON
> needs 101 in
> > /var/spool/mqueue)
>
> So, sendmail gives you an error message saying that it is out of
> disk space, and you blame it on sendmail?  No offense, but it
> sounds to me like the system isn't configured correctly.
>
>
> > To hell with FreeBSD. We are replacing all of the systems
> with NT versions
> > of sendmail. And it works great! I neat little GUI makes
> sendmail and the
> > Exchange listservs easy to manage.The software may cost
> more, but in terms
> > of staff time, we're saving thousands, not to mention all
> the frustration.
> >
> > I read all the news on how unix is going to give
> microsoft a run for the
> > operating system market. I don't believe it for a second.
>
> You are welcome to your opinion.  If NT works better for you,
> then by all means, use it.
>
> FreeBSD is powerful, and can do anything that you want it to do.
> However, it setting it up and maintaining it does require more
> knowledge on the administrator's part than NT.  In return, it
> can provide "years of trouble-free operation"(tm).
>
> You did note that FreeBSD handled your email for 4 years before a
> harddrive crash.  Please feel free to give us a summary in 4 years
> from now of how well NT behaves in doing the same task.
> --
> Jonathan
>
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