Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:11:57 +0100 From: Ernst de Haan <znerd@freebsd.org> To: John Merryweather Cooper <john_m_cooper@yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal for Java(tm) dependency selection among ports Message-ID: <200111201111.fAKBBvS19082@zaphod.euronet.nl> In-Reply-To: <20011119101036.A91514@johncoop.MSHOME> References: <20011115130202.E33074@johncoop.MSHOME> <200111191317.fAJDHRi12634@zaphod.euronet.nl> <20011119101036.A91514@johncoop.MSHOME>
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Johan && all, > > * http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/freebsd-java-proposal-20011116.html > > Looks good . . . a big step in the right direction. Good. It's still incomplete though. I will try to improve it today... > Actually, some of us will be interested in development tools, and some > of us will be interested in applications. A quick review of > freebsd-java (and in particular, the effort going into a native 1.3.1) > should indicate that there are plenty of us interested in development > tools. And the same can be said for appliations porting too. Phase > one should be getting a working bsd.java.mk. Phase two should be > getting ALL ports in the tree (or coming in) to use the build > environment extentions. Phase three should be to port like crazy to > get the desirable development tools and applications into the tree. Okay. Sounds kewl: 1] Create simple bsd.java.mk according to the final proposal. 2] Modify all current ports to use the new system 3] Get more applications in the tree 4] Modify portlint to produce warnings in case of fixed references to JDKs 5] Find a way to change a JDK at runtime (*after* install) Something like this. Phase 1 is at the moment the most important, that's for sure :-) > A better way to handle this, IMHO, would be for the JAVA_VER[SION] > switch to perform double duty. It would work like this: JAVA_VER > would, by default be set to "" entering into the JDK/JRE selection > logic. This allows automagical selection of the appropriate version. > However, JAVA_VER[SION] could also be manually set to select a specific > version. Well, the idea of mandating a certain version in *one* variable sounds good. That's certainly an improvement. But having a variable serving double-duty does not sound too good, somehow. A variable is either input or output, I'd say. I just asked this explicitly on freebsd-ports... > The one I've run into is StarOffice. Probably, these apps will all be > LINUX apps themselves. Probably too, they will attempt to interface to > the JDK/JRE in a non-standard way (through a plugin, direct linkage to > shared libraries, etc.) Okay. I suggest moving this to somewhere beyond phase 1. > One final thought, although the logic to influence preference for > native/auto-built JDK/JRE's is wonderful in theory, in practice it > locks us into JDK 1.1.8. Sun won't let us build a Java2 binary for > distribution at present--and that is a painful practical reality. We > should not discriminate against manual builds until such time as we > have at least one "full-citizen" native Java2 in the tree capable of > binary distribution and/or automatic build. Nah, not really. But it will mean that a lot of ports may fail since they need you to download distro files manually. > We need some implementation pro-types so we can "play" with the > challenges. s/pro-types/proto-types/ -- right? If so: Yup. My planning is to make the proposed solution for phase 1 final and then create a bsd.java.mk that people can test themselves. It will probably be modelled after bsd.ruby.mk. Another thought: We could introduce an input variable 'INSTALL_JAVADOC=[yes|no]' too, especially suitable for Java library ports. Ernst -- Ernst de Haan EuroNet Internet B.V. "Come to me all who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest" -- Jesus Christ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message
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