Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:39:40 -0600 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> To: Attila Nagy <bra@fsn.hu> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating swap based ramdisks from rc.initdiskless by default Message-ID: <20090122163940.GA12490@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> In-Reply-To: <4978853A.2000107@fsn.hu> References: <4978853A.2000107@fsn.hu>
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 03:39:54PM +0100, Attila Nagy wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> In /etc/rc.initdiskless there is a function, which creates memory disks i=
n=20
> diskless environments:
> # Create a generic memory disk
> #
> mount_md() {
> /sbin/mdmfs -S -i 4096 -s $1 -M md $2
> }
>=20
> I have a lot of remote booted diskless and "with disks" machines, which=
=20
> rely on this kind of storage. The problem is that the above command=20
> specifies "-M", so it will create MD_MALLOC disks, which can't be swapped=
=20
> out, so it constantly takes away RAM, even if there is only a lightly use=
d=20
> dataset on the storage, which could be in swap too in cases, when there i=
s=20
> a memory pressure on the system.
>=20
> So the question is: what is the rationale behind creating malloc backed=
=20
> disks by default, instead of swap-backed ones?
> I can only think of two:
> - MD_SWAP disks cannot be created, if NO_SWAPPING is enabled in the kerne=
l=20
> (I haven't checked, if the swap code is enabled (default) and there is no=
=20
> swap, I can create swap based disks, like malloc based ones)
> - under memory pressure, the swap based disks will be slow, so maybe it's=
=20
> not a goot idea to put /etc (in netbooted environment, this is by default=
=20
> on memory disks) onto it. BTW, I don't see the difference here between a=
=20
> netbooted machine, having /etc on a swap backed memory disk, which also=
=20
> holds swap and a locally booted machine, having /etc on a disk, which als=
o=20
> holds swap. (of course there is a difference, if the swap is on another=
=20
> disk(s)
>=20
> So, are there any objections on changing
> /sbin/mdmfs -S -i 4096 -s $1 -M md $2
> to
> /sbin/mdmfs -S -i 4096 -s $1 md $2
>=20
> ?
It's a historical artifact rooted in the misleading name of the
swap-backed type. I'm having a hard time imagining a case were it makes
any differece and you'd actually use the script, but we should generally
use swap backed mds.
-- Brooks
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