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Date:      Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:21:12 +1100
From:      Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@optushome.com.au>
To:        Aristedes Maniatis <ari@ish.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-stable Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: visibility of release process
Message-ID:  <20081208182112.GW58682@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org>
In-Reply-To: <B167228B-64FA-49D7-8AF7-55F5E4852EA0@ish.com.au>
References:  <B167228B-64FA-49D7-8AF7-55F5E4852EA0@ish.com.au>

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On 2008-Dec-08 20:57:37 +1100, Aristedes Maniatis <ari@ish.com.au> wrote:
>* subversion. Without checking out the whole repository, it is a =20
>little hard to use this as a news source and emails to the commit list =20
>still look more like cvs than svn so it is a bit hard to see which =20
>branch commits are going to. [3]

I'm not sure what you want here.  The branch is clearly indicated in
both the subject and body of commit messages.

What do you mean as "news source"?  Commits are inherently low level
and it's difficult to see how a commit could be massaged into some
sort of press release without a fair amount of meta information in
the commit log.

>* the bug tracker. Let's just say that FreeBSD's bug tracker is fairly =20
>primitive and 'target release' is not an option.

Agreed.  This is an issue that comes up regularly but I don't believe
a solution has been identified.  I suspect one of the requirements
would be that it be FOSS.

>2. Some web based friendly end-user visibility on the commit process, =20
>per branch.

I presume you're aware of svn.freebsd.org.

> People can see what is going in and being fixed, but not =20
>what is left outstanding.

If you mean open PRs, lists are regularly reported to various mailing
lists and can be accessed via http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi
Better integration of the PR and commit process might be nice but I'm
not sure if it's practical with gnats.

>[3]  I've also made an attempt to have Atlassian use Fisheye to =20
>produce an friendly overview of the repository,

I've had a look at several of the fisheye sites and am not sure what
it would buy the Project, other than some pretty graphs.  I don't see
how this is any more "friendly" than svn.freebsd.org.

--=20
Peter Jeremy
Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement
an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour.

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