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Date:      Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:34:05 -0500 (EST)
From:      Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com>
To:        avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, dcs@newsguy.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: another ufs panic..
Message-ID:  <199903281534.KAA02722@lakes.dignus.com>
In-Reply-To: <36FE4857.14E19467@newsguy.com>

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> Darren Reed wrote:
> > 
> > I never realised ufs was so bad on freebsd...I experienced another
> > panic whilst using pax to copy one fs to another (was already 90% there
> > on the destination due to the crash from dump/restore).
> 
> Neither did anyone else, since nobody seems to have the problem you
> describe. Or, if they do, they are so screwed up that they can't
> even open a PR. So... how about opening a PR?

 Now that we've seen at least one panic message; I believe there
already is a PR in the data base for this.  I entered a PR for it
many months ago...

 It is a problem which is difficult to reproduce.

 Several discussions about this particular problem have been had
for about two years now... under various heading; the most humorous
was the "Dave Rivers memorial panic" :-)  You can find such
discussions in the mail archive.

 If you have a reliable reproduction of it; we'd sure be
interested in the details.

 Just for what its worth - I don't believe the problem to be in the UFS code,
but at a lower level.  That's just my opinion...

 Also - some people reported that moving to 3.x improved the situation
greatly.  You may consider upgrading...

 And, several people who reported this particular eventually
determined it was a hardware issue... usually questionable disk controllers.
(I have never seen the problem on a 2940UW as you have; just aha1542
and IDE.)

 And... lastly, with a possibly SCSI-related problem - be sure termination 
is right.  Don't trust the 2940UW auto-termination, do it yourself.

	- Dave Rivers -



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