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Date:      Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:08:05 -0700
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com>
To:        Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org>
Cc:        krad <kraduk@gmail.com>, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Stephen Hurd <shurd@sasktel.net>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Gerrit_K=FChn?= <gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, Matt Bettinger <iamatt@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ?
Message-ID:  <201407232008.s6NK87MX091253@slippy.cwsent.com>
In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> of "Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:35:26 -0400." <alpine.LRH.2.11.1407201430030.2748@nber7.nber.org>

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In message <alpine.LRH.2.11.1407201430030.2748@nber7.nber.org>, Daniel 
Feenberg
 writes:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Lars Engels wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:18:54PM +0100, krad wrote:
> >> all of that is true, but you are missing the point. Having two versions of
> >> pf on the bsd's at the user level, is a bad thing. It confuses people,
> >> which puts them off. Its a classic case of divide an conquer for other
> >> platforms. I really like the idea of the openpf version, that has been
> >> mentioned in this thread. It would be awesome if it ended up as a supporte
> d
> >> linux thing as well, so the world could be rid of iptables. However i gues
> s
> >> thats just an unrealistic dream
> >
> > And you don't seem to get the point that _someone_ has to do the work.
> > No one has stepped up so far, so nothing is going to change.
> >
> 
> No one with authority has yet said that "If an updated pf were available,
>   would be welcomed". Rather they have said "An updated pf would not be
> suitable, as it would be incompatible with existing configuration files".
> If the latter is indeed the case, there is little incentive for anyone
> to go to the effort of porting the newer pf. After all, the reward for
> the work is chiefly in glory, and if there is to be no glory, the work
> is unlikely to be done.

I disagree. One does not do this for the glory. One does this because the 
nail hurts enough to do something about it.


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com>
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	The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.





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