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Date:      Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:48:31 +0100 (MET)
From:      Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>
To:        jdn@acp.qiv.com (Jay Nelson)
Cc:        blkirk@float.eli.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: SCSI Bus redundancy...
Message-ID:  <199802251848.TAA01481@yedi.iaf.nl>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980224194109.1380A-100000@acp.qiv.com> from Jay Nelson at "Feb 24, 98 07:49:42 pm"

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As Jay Nelson wrote...
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI wrote:
> 
> >   I've been wondering about the scsi redundancy problems that come up now
> >and then (read: I've been chewing on paint chips again).  What parts are
> >failing?  In my experience, only disks have failed once installed;
> >controllers have only failed during poor installations and very rare at
> >that.  
> >   But what I was really wondering, is this about have two SCSI cards on
> >one scsi bus.  On one of my old adaptec's it _looks_ like I can change the
> >controller from ID7 to anything else.  With a controller at say 6 and 7,
> >would there be a way in software for both controllers to access the disks?
> >Or even for the standby controller to just scan the bus now and then?
> >   Okey, I'm going off the deep-end, back to my white-out (old-formula).
> >
> >--Ben Kirkpatrick

> This is normally done with differential controllers between two
> different machines -- and, yes, it works. I don't think it's possible

See Digital Unix TruClusters, they indeed only want differential for
the shared SCSI buses.

> with single ended controllers. Concurrent file access from two
> different machines is a _lot_ more troublesome because of the locking
> problems. I don't know of any standard Unices that support this out of
> the box. It usually takes two special daemons that run on both
> machines willing to communicate with each other.

Digital Unix TruClusters do DRD (distributed raw device) now. Things
like Oracle Parallel Server love this. A cluster filesystem is another
kettle of fish of course. But not impossible, see OpenVMS.

> If you want both controllers on the same machine for high
> availability, you'll need to write some software to monitor status and
> take the appropriate actions if there is a failure. Otherwise, I don't

See www.veritas.com for a number of whitepapers on High Availabilty.
Veritas calls their product FirstWatch.

Wilko
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