Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:53:20 -0700 From: Barney Cordoba <barney_cordoba@yahoo.com> To: Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> Cc: "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> Subject: Re: Intel Support for FreeBSD Message-ID: <1407966800.12683.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <D411B55D-EB76-4BE6-95D0-3D2CF0E8916D@netgate.com> References: <1407892565.51895.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53EAC5E8.2050207@sentex.net> <1407936252.96291.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <D411B55D-EB76-4BE6-95D0-3D2CF0E8916D@netgate.com>
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It's not an either/or. Until last July there was both. Like F'ing Intel isn't making enough money to pay someone to maintain a FreeBSD version. On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 2:24 PM, Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:24, Barney Cordoba via freebsd-net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org> wrote: > > Negative Progress is inevitable. Many here undoubtedly consider the referenced effort to be the opposite. 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A3Q-- Received: from [76.108.181.232] by web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:58:28 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, VGhpcyBraW5kIG9mIHN0dXBpZGl0eSByZWFsbHkgaXJyaXRhdGVzIG1lLiBUaGUgY29tbWVyY2lhbCB1c2Ugb2YgRnJlZUJTRCBpcyB0aGUgb25seSByZWFzb24gdGhhdCB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIHByb2plY3QsIGFuZCBhbnlvbmUgd2l0aCAxLzIgYSBicmFpbiBrbm93cyB0aGF0IGNvbXBhbmllcyB3aXRoIHByb2R1Y3RzIGJhc2VkIG9uIGZyZWVic2QgY2FuJ3QganVzdCB1cGdyYWRlIHRoZWlyIHRyZWUgZXZlcnkgdGltZSBzb21lIGdlZWsgZ2V0cyBhcm91bmQgdG8gd3JpdGluZyBhIHBhdGNoLiBNYXliZSBpdHMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 References: <1407892565.51895.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53EAC5E8.2050207@sentex.net> <1407936252.96291.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20140813184949.GF83475@funkthat.com> Message-ID: <1407967108.71480.YahooMailNeo@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:58:28 -0700 From: Barney Cordoba <barney_cordoba@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Barney Cordoba <barney_cordoba@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Intel Support for FreeBSD To: John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <20140813184949.GF83475@funkthat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD <freebsd-net.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-net>, <mailto:freebsd-net-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-net@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-net-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net>, <mailto:freebsd-net-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 21:58:36 -0000 This kind of stupidity really irritates me. The commercial use of FreeBSD i= s the only reason that there is a project, and anyone with 1/2 a brain know= s that companies with products based on freebsd can't just upgrade their tr= ee every time some geek gets around to writing a patch. Maybe its the reaso= n that linux sucks but everyone uses it? 10 years later, some old brain dea= d mentality.=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, August 13, 2014 2:49 PM, John-Mark Gurne= y <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ABarney Cordoba via freebsd-net wrot= e this message on Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:24 -0700:=0A> Ok. It was a lot mo= re convenient when it was a standalone module/tarball so you didn't have to= surgically extract it from the tree and spend a week trying to get it to c= ompile with whatever version you happened to be running. So if you're runni= ng 9.1 or 9.2 you could still use it seamlessly.=A0=0A> =0A> Negative Progr= ess is inevitable.=A0=0A=0AThe problem is that you are using an old version= of FreeBSD that only=0Aprovides security update...=A0 The correct solution= is to update your=0Amachines...=0A=0AI'd much rather have Intel support it= in tree, meaning that supported=0Aversions of FreeBSD have an up to date d= river, than to cater to your=0Awants of using older releases of FreeBSD...= =0A=0AThanks.=0A=0A=0A> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:57 PM, Mike Tancsa <m= ike@sentex.net> wrote:=0A>=A0 =0A> =0A> =0A> On 8/12/2014 9:16 PM, Barney C= ordoba via freebsd-net wrote:=0A> =0A> > I notice that there hasn't been an= update in the Intel Download Center since July. Is there no official suppo= rt for 10?=0A> =0A> Hi,=0A> The latest code is committed directly into the = tree by Intel=0A> =0A> eg=0A> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-he= ad/2014-July/060947.html=0A> and=0A> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn= -src-head/2014-June/059904.html=0A> =0A> They have been MFC'd to RELENG_10 = a few weeks ago=0A=0A-- =0A=A0 John-Mark Gurney=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0= =A0 =A0=A0=A0 Voice: +1 415 225 5579=0A=0A=A0 =A0 "All that I will do, has= been done, All that I have, has not." 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([2610:160:11:33:d596:383b:294c:1a63]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ej4sm3517235obb.28.2014.08.13.15.07.41 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1972.3\)) Subject: Re: Intel Support for FreeBSD From: Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> In-Reply-To: <1407967108.71480.YahooMailNeo@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:07:40 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <FDBAE589-A325-4102-B376-633DDFE65E32@netgate.com> References: <1407892565.51895.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53EAC5E8.2050207@sentex.net> <1407936252.96291.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20140813184949.GF83475@funkthat.com> <1407967108.71480.YahooMailNeo@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Barney Cordoba <barney_cordoba@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1972.3) Cc: "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com>, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD <freebsd-net.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-net>, <mailto:freebsd-net-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-net@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-net-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net>, <mailto:freebsd-net-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:07:47 -0000 Barney, I think everyone on-list understand you=92re upset. You=92ve made that = clear. However, (and I=92ll put my vendor hat on), the project does not exist = solely for the benefit of the companies who choose to use it in their = product(s). Given same, your statement that =93the commercial use of FreeBSD is the = only reason that there is a project=94 is incorrect. It is a reason, = but not the only reason. Jim > On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Barney Cordoba via freebsd-net = <freebsd-net@freebsd.org> wrote: >=20 > This kind of stupidity really irritates me. The commercial use of = FreeBSD is the only reason that there is a project, and anyone with 1/2 = a brain knows that companies with products based on freebsd can't just = upgrade their tree every time some geek gets around to writing a patch. = Maybe its the reason that linux sucks but everyone uses it? 10 years = later, some old brain dead mentality. >=20 >=20 > On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 2:49 PM, John-Mark Gurney = <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Barney Cordoba via freebsd-net wrote this message on Wed, Aug 13, 2014 = at 06:24 -0700: >> Ok. It was a lot more convenient when it was a standalone = module/tarball so you didn't have to surgically extract it from the tree = and spend a week trying to get it to compile with whatever version you = happened to be running. So if you're running 9.1 or 9.2 you could still = use it seamlessly.=20 >>=20 >> Negative Progress is inevitable.=20 >=20 > The problem is that you are using an old version of FreeBSD that only > provides security update... The correct solution is to update your > machines... >=20 > I'd much rather have Intel support it in tree, meaning that supported > versions of FreeBSD have an up to date driver, than to cater to your > wants of using older releases of FreeBSD... >=20 > Thanks. >=20 >=20 >> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:57 PM, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> = wrote: >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 8/12/2014 9:16 PM, Barney Cordoba via freebsd-net wrote: >>=20 >>> I notice that there hasn't been an update in the Intel Download = Center since July. Is there no official support for 10? >>=20 >> Hi, >> The latest code is committed directly into the tree by Intel >>=20 >> eg >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2014-July/060947.html >> and >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2014-June/059904.html >>=20 >> They have been MFC'd to RELENG_10 a few weeks ago >=20 > --=20 > John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 >=20 > "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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