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Date:      Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:07:19 +0200
From:      Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de>
To:        Stefan `Sec` Zehl <sec@42.org>
Cc:        Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de>, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: bin/18900: patch to add colorizing feature to /bin/ls
Message-ID:  <20000601170719.A18925@curry.mchp.siemens.de>
In-Reply-To: <20000601165544.A24155@matrix.42.org>; from sec@42.org on Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 04:55:44PM %2B0200
References:  <20000531095153.A80830@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <200005311200.IAA29719@lakes.dignus.com> <20000531140859.A44791@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000601142524.A19841@matrix.42.org> <20000601161114.A18501@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <20000601165544.A24155@matrix.42.org>

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On Thu, 01-Jun-2000 at 16:55:44 +0200, Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 04:11:14PM +0200, Andre Albsmeier wrote:
> > On Thu, 01-Jun-2000 at 14:25:24 +0200, Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote:
> > > The problem is to draw the line. Surely we will nevae have netscape in
> > > base. But perl we do. I (and many others) think that colorized ls is
> > > gimmicky enough to have no place in the base system. Color-ls gains you
> > > no new information.
> > 
> > Does less do this compared to more?
> > Or /usr/src/games (I know, they can be disabled).
> 
> less is a port, for this exact reason.

And it will be in the base system replacing more.


> 
> > No, there won't be gained new information. It never was the goal of
> > a colorised ls to gain new information.
> 
> Ok. So make it a port :)

It is a port.

> 
> [...]
> > > Make it a port, so everybody can be happy. Everybody I know who installs
> > It _is_ already a port. However, the ports ls distfile does not have the same
> > features as /bin/ls has.
> 
> So update the port an be done with it.

I can't. Someone else has to do it.


> 
> >                          So everytime someone changes /bin/ls the port would
> > have to be sync'ed again (which costs developers/commiters time).
> 
> And now everyone who canges ls has to wantch out not to break your
> precious color patch.

The precious color patch (which is stolen form the port indeed) needs to be applied
once. The port has to be updated every time /bin/ls changes.


> 
> > > a FreeBSD system installs his favourite ports first. For me it's zsh,
> > > screen, less and vim. If for you this includes colorls so go ahead and
> > > add that port on a new install, but please don't influct this on the
> > > rest of us.
> > Again: It is an option (-G) that you don't have to use. I assume there are
> > many programs in the base systems with options you don't use (and maybe
> > even don't know about). You don't scream about them because they are already
> > there.
> 
> And again: There are many programs I use every day, starting with my
> shell (zsh). But I still don't go running around and claim it should be
> imported in base, just because I can't live without it.

That's ok.

	-Andre


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