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Date:      Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:39:40 -0700
From:      bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah)
To:        Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>
Cc:        bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, "David Xu" <bsddiy@163.net>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented 
Message-ID:  <200107111439.f6BEde062643@intruder.bmah.org>
In-Reply-To: <1183.994843284@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> 
References:  <1183.994843284@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>

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If memory serves me right, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:24:50 MST, "Bruce A. Mah" wrote:
> 
> > I'm sorry, I missed the part of your message containing the patches to 
> > fix this problem.
> 
> Bruce, I'm using your message as an example because you're good at
> shrugging stuff like this off. :-)

:-)

> I'm very concerned with the fact that this style of response has become
> commonly accepted within the FreeBSD community.

While I'm not sure this is a "commonly accepted" response, I agree with
you 100% that this would be a Bad Thing (TM).

> Yes, we like patches.  Yes, in this case the only reason we don't have
> what David requested is that nobody's done the work.
> 
> However, there's no need for sarcasm.  This response could easily be
> reworded as
> 
> 	Everyone agrees that better sysctl documentation would be great,
> 	but nobody has done the work to provide it.  If you'd like to do
> 	the work, check the -hackers archives, where you'll find a few
> 	opinions about how this should be done.

In general, I agree with you.  If the post I was responding to was the
first one of its type I'd seen from David, I wouldn't have responded
this way.  In fact, when he wrote some text to the effect of "the
release notes are bad, they should be like NetBSD", I tried
(unsuccessfully) to engage in some dialog to figure out what his
concerns were.  Several months (and many observed posts later), I'm of
the opinion that discouraging David from making "this sucks" posts
(without providing any attempt at solutions) would be a Good Thing
(TM).

Maybe my response should have provided more context, so that people
wouldn't *think* that replies like this were (or should be) the norm.

Just explaining myself.  You're absolutely right that this isn't a good 
way to reply to people's concerns in the general case.

Cheers,

Bruce.




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