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Date:      Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:22:31 +0000
From:      Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        dan_partelly <dan_partelly@rdsor.ro>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)
Message-ID:  <20160420042231.GA5035@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <27b37d3f66ba7ac7df7bf3fd2c4ccd88@rdsor.ro>
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 07:15:22AM +0300, dan_partelly wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:11 +0000, Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:59:38AM +0300, dan_partelly wrote:
> >>=20
> >> >=20
> >> > Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn=E2=80=99t one where p=
rogress
> is
> >> > made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds
> people
> >> into
> >> > dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You might call it a
> >> > discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of angry villagers
> >> storming
> >> > the castle. No good can come from that. Tone down the outrage by a
> >> factor
> >> > of 100 and try to have the conversation again.
> >> >=20
> >>=20
> >> I'm frankly perplexed by this statement. Its seldom I perceived so much
>=20
> >> sorrow and bitterness in 6 lines. There is no castle Warner, unless you
> >> want one to exist, one where you can isolate yourself from the
> >> indentured
> >> peasants and anything they say. Beyond your thick walls you'll be well
> >> served,
> >> every idea outside your wals will be toned down by a factor of 100 by
> the
> >> time
> >> it reaches  the lord, becoming total agreement with anything the lord
> >> thinks.=20
> >>=20
> >> I cant believe I wrote this shit. But then again, I cant believe you
> just
> >> wrote
> >> what you did.
> >>=20
> >=20
> > And it's responses like this that are severely demotivating.
>=20
> Such statements, such answers. But Im done with this. It degenerates
> in emotional outbursts, much to the shame of all parts involved.
>=20

You're absolutely right.

I apologize for offending you and the countless hours spent on getting
this new model correct.

What was I thinking?

Glen


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