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Date:      Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:50:40 -0700
From:      Matthew Hunt <mph@astro.caltech.edu>
To:        Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@freebsd.org>, current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Archive pruning
Message-ID:  <20000426085040.A59015@wopr.caltech.edu>
In-Reply-To: <v0422080bb52c73ecad80@[195.238.1.121]>; from blk@skynet.be on Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:24:59PM %2B0200
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:24:59PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:

> >  Maintaining a CVS repository is necessary only if you are working
> >  on the code, so your proposal would only affect devlopers, not Joe
> >  User.  Normal users do not maintain copies of the repository and do
> >  not have a frequent need to examine history.
> 
> 	True enough.  However, how many "normal users" would you expect 
> to be subscribing to the freebsd-current mailing list?  If this is a 

[...]

> 	So, you are either forced to change your definition of "normal 
> users" to be people who would be subscribing to this list (and 
> hopefully contributing in some way) and you have to acknowledge that 
> change in definition, or you have to change the term that you use.

Perhaps I am missing your point, but in terms of deciding whether
Richard's proposal has merit, the fact that we're discussing this
on -CURRENT does not seem to me to be an issue.

In any case where somebody says "Y'all should do such-and-such"
without ponying up the code himself, we should be thinking about
whether the benefit to the users will "pay for" the time it takes
us to do it.  If 10% of the people who run -CURRENT would find a
pruned-history repository useful, but only 10% of our user-base
runs -CURRENT, then it seems to me that the fact that it benefits
1% of the user population is the relevant figure.

(This is different from the usual case of only putting new features
in -CURRENT, because that code will eventually become -STABLE; the
people benefitting from Richard's proposal, according to the arguments
I've seen so far, are the ones who keep running -CURRENT, whatever
that happens to be at the moment.)

Does this address your criticism?

Matt

-- 
Matthew Hunt <mph@astro.caltech.edu> * UNIX is a lever for the
http://www.pobox.com/~mph/           * intellect. -J.R. Mashey


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