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Date:      Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:36:15 -0800
From:      Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, A Joseph Koshy <koshy@india.hp.com>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: General policy on trademark violations 
Message-ID:  <199802122236.OAA04410@dingo.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:54:36 %2B1030." <19980213085436.13673@freebie.lemis.com> 

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> On Thu, 12 February 1998 at 13:54:15 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> >
> >> Q2: What about programs, files and directories in the source tree that
> >>     "violate trademarks" in other countries like India, Japan, and Russia?
> >>     Will the FreeBSD project be willing be rip out parts of its source
> >>     base to satisfy litigants from other countries?
> >
> > It's not a question of "being willing", and this is, I think, where
> > people are missing the point.
> >
> > If the FreeBSD project is faced with litigative action over a trademark
> > infringement, what courses of action are available?
> >
> >  - Fight it in court.  This is only an option if a donor with a few
> >    million spare to spend on a hopeless case turns up.  Trademark
> >    litigation is rarely started against small parties without some
> >    expectation of success.
> 
> The expectation of success might be that somebody in the small party
> assesses the chances of their success (based on their financial
> ability) as small, and comes to the conclusion:

Are you actually familiar with the basic principles behind trademark law?

Did you read all the way through this thread last time 'round?  There 
was a particularly interesting post which gave the trademark 
classification groupings of interest here, along with input from a 
number of people that have clearly been involved in this sort of thing 
before.

A trademark litigation profiteer is not going to propose or commence 
action without expectations of success.  That would be bad business.

> >> Q3: Are the sources for the "extracted" parts available as a package
> >>     from anywhere else in the world?
> >
> > Obviously, no.
> 
> It's not that obvious.  After the USL decision, FreeBSD and BSDI had
> to stop distributing Net/2.  Two year later, Dr. Dobbs did a CD-ROM
> with the stuff on it.

Separate incidents.

> So what's this all about?

Hasbro and Boggle.  If they were really tenacious, they could probably 
claim look-and-feel as well.

How long since *you* played Boggle(tm) on your system?
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