Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:45:37 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee> To: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu> Cc: "Joel N. Weber II" <devnull@gnu.ai.mit.edu>, m230761@ingenieria.ingsala.unal.edu.co, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My opinion about freebsd (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.970714152330.25586C-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.970713225549.3129C-100000@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu>
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On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, John Fieber wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Joel N. Weber II wrote: > > > windows 95 is usable? I found getting networking to work on it was > > much more difficult than getting networking working on Linux... > > How so? (No, that isn't a troll, I'm honestly curious. Also, > the difficulty depends quite a lot on the network you are trying > to hook into.) Well, have you found a way to assign two different IP numbers to one network interface? Using the standard bundled software? Even NT worstation allows only 5. > > > I don't think you're buying usablity. I don't think people conciously > > choose Microsoft over a free system. Microsoft has arranged to be > > the default choice, and their marketing people promise more. > > Well, true to a degree, but overly simplistic. > > Some people make careful, calculated choices about what hardware > and system software they want, then they cobble together > applications that work on that system. Free unix-like systems > are likely to be found among this crowd. You would find OS/2 > users users here as well. The identifying trait here is that the > OS *is* the primary application---after all, what is unix if not > the ultimately customizable application? :) Well, developing a custom in-house application on a more-or-less in-house system (based on whatever operating system there is) is always another option. I these cases, it might be worth using a free system. Unix is a much better platform to develop software for. At least you know what is going to be in the next release. > > Some people make careful, calculated choices about what > applications they need, then they get whatever OS will run the > software. Some unix systems here, but Microsoft Windows with its > huge application base dominates. When an organization is choosing > how to outfit desktops with machines, the question isn't "what is > the coolest, cheapest OS to use", but "what OS runs Excel the > best". Sure, you can run windows applications on some Unix or What good would be Excel? It with it's macro language (real obfusticated version of Basic with the *most* twisted vision of OO) is overly too slow. Word I can understand. But Excel? It doesn't even have a decent choise/ability to draw graphs. > OS/2 systems, but if all your main applications are Windows, it > really isn't worth the extra overhead. The long life of MS-DOS > is a testament to the triumph of application over OS--users > wouldn't touch Windows until their applications migrated and > proved themselves. To this day, WordPerfect for DOS is alive and > well. > As is WP for SCO, also, most of the big dos programs imho used to be available for unix (at least sco). > A combination of these two are users whose choice of operating > system or application software based substantial pre-existing > investments in either category. In the case of substantial > (windows) application investment, Windows NT has a very secure > foothold in this corner of the universe. Microsoft has told us > where *they* want to go today and have conveniently provided us > with a yellow brick road to get there, with "Microsoft" carefully > enscribed on each and every brick. > > Finally, some people just take what is given to them and if it > seems to server their needs without too much pain, they could > care less about some hacker yo-yo claiming that their free > unix-like system multi-tasks more efficiently. Microsoft has, of > course, secured this market by making sure every new Intel based > machine comes with Windows 95 pre-installed. That some companies (around here) no more sell just systems but you can also order a list of components. For the new system *has* to come with win95 preinstalled which many may not want. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. > -john > >
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