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Date:      Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:40 -0500
From:      "Jaime Bozza" <wheelman@nuc.net>
To:        "Wes Peters" <wes@softweyr.com>, <gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG>, <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        <jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com>, <mike@smith.net.au>, <steve.a@cableinet.co.uk>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: A Little Cancer Patient need Your Attention
Message-ID:  <001201bda77d$57015e60$333d31cc@electron.nuc.net>
In-Reply-To: <199807040642.AAA02488@softweyr.com>

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Ok, guys...  I know I originally posted a reply to the original author of
the original spam message, but I'm not on FreeBSD-chat, and I don't really
have much interest in this topic anymore.

Please do me a favor and remove me from your CC list.

Thanks,

Jaime Bozza
Nucleus Communications, Inc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wes Peters [mailto:wes@softweyr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 1998 1:43 AM
> To: gpalmer@freebsd.org; tlambert@primenet.com
> Cc: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com; mike@smith.net.au;
> wheelman@nuc.net; steve.a@cableinet.co.uk; chat@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: A Little Cancer Patient need Your Attention
>
>
> My hidden microphone recorded Terry Lambert
> (tlambert@primenet.com) saying:
>
> % In any case, the net upshot should be "do the right thing the right
> % way", or as Seneca, the stoic philosopher from the 4th decate AD
> % stated in his _Letters From A Stoic_:
> %
> % 	Never substitute activity for action.
> %
> % If you expect to have to live with the consequences of your actions,
> % then these are words to live by.
>
> Terry is right, there are very few organizations who take the
> time to consider
> the consequences of their code.  A partial reason for this is
> the general
> assumption the consequences will be "some customer will get
> pissed, but won't
> be able to return the goods because he doesn't have the
> power/it'll be too
> difficult/nobody ever does that."
>
> My first job out of school, I worked for one of the companies that has
> specialized in considering the consequences of computer code:
> Logicon, now a
> division of Northrup-Grumman.  My first job involved analyzing the math
> library used by the Fortran compiler that produced the Minuteman
> II targeting
> program, PROVING that it produced mathematically correct code.
> My second job
> was as the point man on the team that tested the command and
> control system
> for Peacekeeper (the missile formerly known as MX).  You have no
> idea what an
> education in RESPONSIBILITY it was to consider the consequences
> of some code
> screwing up and accidentally launching one of these beasts.  Our boss, a
> wonderful manager named Mary Ann Hayes, did an incredible job of
> keeping us
> focused on the job at hand while gently reminding us of the
> importance of our
> work, on how critical it was to be absolutely thorough.
>
> It has given me quite a different mindset throughout my career;
> I've often
> been "pulled off" a problem by management when they decided I
> had solved it
> thoroughly enough and I wanted to continue pursuing it.  With
> experience, I've
> learned to balance my reactions somewhat better and to ask how
> far I should go
> in solving a problem, although I'd often prefer to take the
> solution clear to
> the bitter end.
>
> I am certainly not claiming to be perfect, but I have noticed a
> different
> mindset amongst coworkers who have this kind of military
> background; it isn't
> a greater attention to quality so much as a different way of
> looking at it.
> It's not such much "how much do I have to do to keep this from
> crashing" as it
> is "what's the worst thing that could happen if this screws up,
> and how much
> do I have to do to prevent THAT from keeping me awake at night?"
>
> --
>        "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"
>
> Wes Peters                                                 Softweyr LLC
> http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr
> wes@softweyr.com
>
>
>
>


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