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Date:      Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:09:29 -0600
From:      "David W. Chapman Jr." <dwcjr@inethouston.net>
To:        Cyrille Lefevre <clefevre@citeweb.net>
Cc:        "David W. Chapman Jr." <dwcjr@inethouston.net>, Jochem Kossen <j.kossen@home.nl>, Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>, Tom Fischer <tfischer@rain.fr>, FreeBSD-Stable <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>, FreeBSD-Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: -current vs. -stable port tree (was Re: linux-base 6.2 vs  linux-base 7)
Message-ID:  <20011130180929.GE24980@leviathan.inethouston.net>
In-Reply-To: <008601c176d3$229d5d80$91e5c6d4@cybercable.fr>
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> maybe it is better to run staroffice60 under linux_base-7, but, IMHO,
> if it
> works under linux_base, that is the way to go until linux_base-7 is
> fixed.

It can't be fixed until I know the problems with it.


> > > also works w/ linux_base, so, why not just switching it to use
> > > linux_base
> > > instead of linux_base-7 and to switch all linux ports to
> > > linux_base-7 when they will be right to use it. the *right*
> > > alternative, of course,
> > 
> > They can use it with little modification.  Most only require you
> > changing the dependency in the Makefile
> 
> why this is not done until linux_base-7 is fixed (read the RH shared
> libs).

Who knows if it will get fixed.

> how about changing :
> 
> DEPENDS= .../linux_base-7
> 
> by something like this :
> 
> .if  defined(WANT_LINUX_BASE_7)
> FETCH_DEPENDS=
> ${LINUXBASE}/usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1.0:${PORTSDIR}/emulators/lin
> ux_base-7
> BUILD_DEPENDS=
> ${LINUXBASE}/usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1.0:${PORTSDIR}/emulators/lin
> ux_base-7
> .else
> USE_LINUX=    yes
> .endif
> 
> so, anybody would be happy, no ?

That's one option, but that doesn't appear to be the path that I was 
told would be taken on this project.

> 
> > > would be to fix linux_base-7 to be linux_base compatible... but
> > > nobody care and everybody seems to considere normal what's
> > > happen !!!
> > 
> > Its not that linux_base-7 isn't "linux_base" compatible its that
> > redhat 7 has a shared lib bug.  We will have to use some of
> > linux_base6's libc5 for  
> 
> are you saying that RH7 users can't run netscape 4.79 and so ?

No, you can symlink libstdc++ that netscape is looking for to what 
exists 

> > those ports which actually require it, but we can't even get a
> > grasp on what doesn't work under linux_base7 because we can't get
> > enough details about what doesn't work.  Most people just say "it
> > doesn't work, linux_base-7 sucks".  The reality is that
> > linux_base-6 will go away because we are  
> 
> it is the case, no ;-)

From what I've been hearing linux-base(6.x) is  > < close to being 
removed.

> my opinion is that we don't have to jump to something which works in
> one
> case and fails in all others. if that happen, it is preferable to
> stay as is until
> everything work fine w/ the new things. this has a name, QUALITY and
> doing things the way "you" made it is the wrong way. it is a real
> pain
> to not have -current, -stable and -release port tree to avoid such
> problems.
> 

It can be a pain, but we cannot blame that for not making progress.  
Most important things work under linux_base-7.  I only have one 
report that someone can't get staroffice to work under linux_base-7.  
Where are all these problems  you are talking about.  I can't fix 
them if I don't have details.

-- 
David W. Chapman Jr.
dwcjr@inethouston.net	Raintree Network Services, Inc. <www.inethouston.net>
dwcjr@freebsd.org	FreeBSD Committer <www.FreeBSD.org>

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