Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:41:57 -0700 From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, "Andrey V. Elsukov" <bu7cher@yandex.ru>, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator Message-ID: <CAJ-VmomD2R1HXoDMUnheDy=rT7AZpD%2BQA7EkPk4=fD_EL5Ym9A@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201310231427.16812.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <5265878B.1050809@yandex.ru> <526810DB.20705@mu.org> <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com> <201310231427.16812.jhb@freebsd.org>
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And the link momentum is strong now. There's driver source. Adrian On Oct 23, 2013 2:41 PM, "John Baldwin" <jhb@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:11:29 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: > > On 23 October 2013 11:09, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> wrote: > > > > > > > Eh, having taken a stab at porting the bwl blob already, I would > strongly > > >> oppose removing NDIS. If you do that I will just stop using my > netbook > > >> with a Broadcom part altogether as I wouldn't be able to use it to > try to > > >> test bwl changes. The NDIS thing is a bit hackish, but it is quite > useful > > >> for a lot of folks. > > >> > > >> I have to agree. Deprecation != motivation. > > > > > > I can pull out examples of this not holding true: > > > > * all the giant locking in drivers > > * all the giant locking in VFS > > > > People did pop up and claim ownership of things they cared about. Some > > stuff died, some stuff didn't. There was enough of a motivation by us to > > kill giant off in these pathways so things could continue to evolve. We > > didn't leave the GIANT crutch in forever. > > Giant isn't dead yet. :) (And I've done a lot of the de-Gianting FWIW.) > > I don't consider ndis in the same camp. Often times there are vendors > where > datasheets, etc. are not obtainable, but a foo.sys + foo.inf is. > > -- > John Baldwin >
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