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Date:      Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:58:26 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        Ray Jenson <rjenson@redheron.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, taob@risc.org
Subject:   Re: Demon license?
Message-ID:  <20050718222826.GS25747@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNCEAIFCAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
References:  <20050718085255.GM25747@wantadilla.lemis.com> <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNCEAIFCAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>

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On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  2:23:45 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> On  Monday, July 18, 2005 1:53 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  1:12:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0)
>>> On  Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:14 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>> The daemon is copyright of Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com>.
>>>> You should ask him for permission.  In general he gives it if the
>>>> usage is BSD-related, as it appears to be in this case.
>>>
>>> Strictly speaking, the IMAGES of the daemon that are on the
>>> mckusick.com website are what is copyrighted.  Nothing is stopping
>>> someone from drawing a 'devil' image and associating it with
>>> FreeBSD.
>>
>> I no longer speak for the FreeBSD project, but we have never wanted to
>> be associated with devils.  I'm sure we would object if someone drew a
>> 'devil' image and associated it with FreeBSD.
>
> Oh, you must think yourself very clever for that bit of deliberate
> misinterpretation.  I hope you don't let it go to your head.

This isn't misinterpretation.  They're your words.  You've been around
the project for a long time, but you still don't understand how
important it is to us to refer to the daemon correctly.

> On a more serious note, the userbase is objecting to certain members
> of The Project wanting to jettison the daemon image, and replace it
> with an image of a stuffed Teddy Bear (or something equally
> politically correct) so in the absense of the Project having much
> respect for what the userbase wants in the area of FreeBSD images,
> you can hardly expect the userbase to have much respect for what the
> Project wants in the area of FreeBSD images, now can you?

I must be out of touch.  I haven't seen any of this.

Greg
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