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Date:      Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:00:25 +1000
From:      Richard Archer <rha@interdomain.net.au>
To:        freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Support for passive backplane chassis?
Message-ID:  <l0313031bb1e711f60584@[203.17.167.127]>
In-Reply-To: <199807310551.AAA13188@tsunami.waterspout.com>
References:  Your message of "Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:51:24 %2B1000."             <l03130318b1e6eae3d5e0@[203.17.167.127]>

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At 15:51 +1000 31/7/1998, C. Stephen Gunn wrote:

>In message <l03130318b1e6eae3d5e0@[203.17.167.127]>, Richard Archer writes:
>
>>I am thinking of using a passive backplane system with 16 PCI slots.
>>This would allow each router to handle up to 64 ethernet segments.
>>But I can't find much information about how these interact with FreeBSD.
>
>   This would scare the heck out of me.  I use a FreeBSD box at my
>day job to route between 5 Ethernet Interfaces.  While it's a fast
>box, and it all works fine, I don't want to think about the bandwidth
>aggregation problems you might have with 64 ethernet cards on one
>machine.  At that level you're not looking for a CPU to make decisions
>on the packets.  You want a Switch.

Hi Steve,

Well, that's certainly a heads-up!

The problem with the switches I've seen are that they don't offer the
security of a router. I really want a solution that operates as a firewall
between the LANs. From what I've seen, products like the Bay Networks
Accelar 1200 finish up costing over $1000 per port (that's the price in
local currency here in Australia).

I've costed out a solution using FreeBSD boxes (either 4 16-slot backplane
boxes or 16 4-slot motherboard solutions) and either way it works out to
about $500 per port.

But of course $500 per port works out being very expensive if the solution
does not work!


>   I would check out Lucent's Cajun Switch, or some of the nicer Cisco
>10/100 switches that can take a route processor.  The Lucent one claims
>to be 10/100 on lots of ports (140 or so) and provide Layer-3 switching
>(basically routing) in hardware, at wire speed.  While you're looking
>at $25K or so, racks of BSD machines aren't free either.

$25K (double that in Australia) would actually work out being a comparable
price to the FreeBSD-based system. I'll certainly follow that up. Also the
Cisco Catalyst 5000 series with the 48-port 10baseT ports might work out
being a reasonable price.


>   Don't get me wrong here, FreeBSD is great, but PCI isn't going to
>handle what you want.  At least not at high saturation levels for 
>each subnet.  Just wondering, how does this building hook to the rest
>of the universe?

At the moment the building is still a shell :)

I was going to use a Cisco 3260 with a 2E2W card with each WAN port
connecting to a different upstream. (Actually one upstream and one to
a local peering point.)


Thank you for the advice!

 ...Richard.




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